Other moves lose as well.
Fischer vs. Byrne 1963 US Championship
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Jun 30, 2015
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White must find some way to prevent Qh3+ followed by checkmate on g2. Nothing works.
Jul 2, 2015
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22.Nf3 Qh3+ 23.Qg2
I think Fischer can regain the piece maybe up a pawn in simplification, but I don't think there's a mate there. Then again, I ain't Fischer.
Jul 2, 2015
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Over here: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1008419 Zhbugnoimt gives 22.Nf3 Qxd2 23.Nxd2 Bxc3 24.Rac1 Ba6+ "with an easy win" I pretty much agree with that.
shivasuri4 in the same thread gives after 22.Nf3 Qf5 23.Qf4 Qxf4 24.gxf4 Bxc3
Again, up a pawn. But a probable black win.
I never see analysis of 21. Nf3. What's wrong with that? Not 22. Nf3. 21.
21. Nf3 Qxd2+
22. Rxd2 Bxc3
A few short minutes with an engine will make it clear that Byrne played the most accurate move in the position: Resigns!
szstein wrote:
22.Nf3 Qh3+ 23.Qg2
I think Fischer can regain the piece maybe up a pawn in simplification, but I don't think there's a mate there. Then again, I ain't Fischer.
22.Nf3 22...Qg4 or 22...Qf5 or even 22...Qh3+ 23.Qg2 Qf5 all look pretty crushing for Black. Try playing these lines out. Giving back a piece won't save White. Both knights are toast for starters
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Excelente
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
The Greatest Game That Ever Lived
I don't know if it's the greatest, but it is a beautiful game. It reminds me of some of those Capablanca games that look so clear and logical that you think, "I could play those moves!" But the deeper you look, the more beauty you see
| FORCED ADOPTION: Byrne v Fischer 1963 Surely a better defence than 15 Qc2 would have been 15 Rf1 ? If I had been playing white in this game I would of course never have forseen Fischer's brilliancy but I would have been scared of an attack by both black knights on f2 so I would have put "the wrong rook " back where it came from losing a couple of tempos but maybe saving the game ! I would have thought "hey ho back we go !"but I appreciate that is not how grandmasters think ........! At any rate I found no clear win for black with this line.Plenty of fireworks and near misses but white escapes with a sound position every time |
Just to follow up from 15Rf1 if 15Ne4 16BxN 16 PxB AFTER WHICH Bb2 and R(a)D1 played in the order needed to counter black's moves will bring all white's pieces into action............A draw is then feasible
15.Rf1 Ne4 16.Bxe4 dxe4 17.Bb2 Nxb2 A. 18.Qxb2 Bxe2 Black seems to be a piece ahead
But 15 Rf1 Ne4 16Bxe4 dxe4 17 R(a)d1 surely avoids disaster and white can still play for a draw.
I think you are letting the fact that White has not yet been mated or suffered decisive material loss fool you into thinking that he cam somehow draw that position. He can't! Here are a couple of sample lines. But if you really want to convince yourself, try defending White's position against an engine, giving yourself time odds like 10 minutes to 2. A few games will do more to convince you than anything I could say
Well all the grandmasters commentating seemed convinced that white was winning and only Fischer's brilliant sacrifice turned the game around.On that basis IT SEEMED THEREFORE LOGICAL TO BELIEVE THAT WHITE COULD AT LEAST SURVIVE TO DRAW IF NOT TO WIN PROVIDED THE SACRIFICE AND SUBSEQUENT ATTACK WAS AVOIDED; I am evidently not a strong enough player to prove the point but surely someone is?
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I think you may have the story a bit wrong.The point where the commenting grandmasters thought Byrne was winning was after Fischer had played 15..Nxf2. They assumed that Fischer was intending to play 18...Nxe1, and they couldn't see why he would have picked such a bad line. They didn't realize that he had planned a mating attack! This doesn't imply that they thought Black wasn't standing very well before 15.Qc2. Black already had a clear advantage
Could someone explain to me why Byrne resigned after move 21? Fischer stated that he expected Byrne to move Qf2 to set up the checkmate, but looking at the board, I just don't see why he would move Qf2.