Pre-arranged GM draw. Bloody disgrace!!!!!!

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TFrankH

Sometimes you come across a game that angers you; GMs bringing the game of chess into disrepute.

Play through this "effort" from the very recent Berlin GM Tournament.

I assure you this is not a joke; White is in STALEMATE after 12 moves!! Bloody disgrace.

If FIDE can default you if you are not sitting at the board then what should FIDE do about this pre-arranged rubbish??

 

 

eddiewsox

I don't know what the FIDE can do about pre-arranged draws, but actually this one is pretty clever.

hazenfelts

they would have to be quite honest with each other as well, black looks like they are in quite a good position to start an attack instead of that last pawn move

Suggo

What other circumstances surround this?  At what stage of the tournament was it played?  Did it affect who they would play next?  There may be any number of reasons for arranging this...it may be a bit quick to jump to conclusions.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

This is funny. I agree that it's probably a protest of sorts. Any other links to the game, so we can independently verify it, or read about it?

Skwerly

LOL that is straight funny - I'm with ozzie, let's see more about this one!

ozzie_c_cobblepot

If it's true, then you know it's vitally important that the players get the move order exactly right...

ozzie_c_cobblepot

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=50272

Check out the comments section -- apparently there was a reprimand involved (rightfully IMO).

kt_flash

cool draw

jacobphilipoom

It would have been funnier if one of them had decided to take advantage of the hanging pieces.

ZeroVektor

Funny, not funny, clever, not clever....I enjoyed it.  Very Lloyd-esqe.

Search for the word "stalemate" on this page and you'll see this as the cited shortest stalemate w/out captures via at least two move orders:

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter08.html

So, is it the shortest?  An example would certainly be proof.  :)

ZV

PS The shortest is 10 moves....but it involves captures....

http://www.chess.com/article/view/the-shortest-stalemate-possible

CharlesDarwin1809

pre-arranged draws have been going on in chess for years, when the soviet union decided who was worthy of a title. they conspired against fischer in curacao '62, with petrosian the main culprit, petrosian, geller and keres formed a combine to draw easily with each other in order to preserve their strength against fischer, then keres was dropped from the combine because petrosian and geller needed to beat keres and fischer to win the tournament. petrosian denied this, although a game against keres was agreed drawn when (as fischer pointed out), should have been won by petrosian. so don't be surprised to see a pre-arranged draw in top level chess.  

kissinger
LazyPig83 wrote:

pre-arranged draws have been going on in chess for years, when the soviet union decided who was worthy of a title. they conspired against fischer in curacao '62, with petrosian the main culprit, petrosian, geller and keres formed a combine to draw easily with each other in order to preserve their strength against fischer, then keres was dropped from the combine because petrosian and geller needed to beat keres and fischer to win the tournament. petrosian denied this, although a game against keres was agreed drawn when (as fischer pointed out), should have been won by petrosian. so don't be surprised to see a pre-arranged draw in top level chess.  


 Good point, good research, Fischer was always distrustful of Soviets......rightly so!!!

CharlesDarwin1809
kissinger wrote:
LazyPig83 wrote:

pre-arranged draws have been going on in chess for years, when the soviet union decided who was worthy of a title. they conspired against fischer in curacao '62, with petrosian the main culprit, petrosian, geller and keres formed a combine to draw easily with each other in order to preserve their strength against fischer, then keres was dropped from the combine because petrosian and geller needed to beat keres and fischer to win the tournament. petrosian denied this, although a game against keres was agreed drawn when (as fischer pointed out), should have been won by petrosian. so don't be surprised to see a pre-arranged draw in top level chess.  


 Good point, good research, Fischer was always distrustful of Soviets......rightly so!!!


thanks kissinger. it was because of this tournament fischer's resentment of the soviet union and his later proved opinion that the soviets fixed world chess that he refused to play. all fischer fans should thank pal benko for making way for him. as benko said "it is only bobby who can stop the russians". i think benko was paid $2500 to submit his place for the unstoppable bobby fischer.

goldendog

Fischer lobbied for and was successful in having implemented a no-draw-in-less-than-30-moves rule for a tournament. Interestingly, Fischer was the first to break the rule by agreeing to a draw in less than 30. "That rule," he said, "is for Commie cheaters, not me."

ozzie_c_cobblepot

I don't think I've ever done a prearranged draw, but I would if it got me the next highest FIDE title. :-)

General_Lee

I have to say in order to get a higher title, i dont think you should be allowed to have ANY prearranged games like this. I agree with the poster, it is a "bloody disgrace" It takes the excitement and joy out of chess, and that is not what draws people to chess

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Well if I had an in-tournament rating of 2301, I might just withdraw from the last round game, and pay any penalty that's necessary, just so that I could get the next title. Hopefully it wouldn't be necessary.

It would totally suck to have a great tournament for the first N-1 rounds, to be paired with a GM in the last round, where you're almost guaranteed to lose 2 rating points. You know, just to get down from 2301 to 2299. :-)

lastwarrior2010

there is a 10 move stalemate.

bugoobiga

still cool