Tigran Petrosian

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torpesian

Petrosian is one of my favourite players of all time along with Spassky, and Lasker. He was virtually unbeatable and just because he was a very positional accurate player does not mean he was unable to play tactically or create combinations. There is nothing wrong at all with playing very sound positional chess and exploiting very small advantages of your opponent when that opponent can't play such sound accurate chess as you can. What that means is you are the better chess player. You know a chess player does not become World Champion unless they are a brilliant chess player. Incidentally, take a look at my user name and make an anagram of the letters and what do you get?

nameno1had
SmyslovFan wrote:

Every match-play world champion reached Olympus, so we're comparing the gods of the chess world. But for me, Petrosian was a considerably more accomplished world champion than Spassky.

Petrosian defeated Botvinnik in convincing fashion. He made the Patriarch look a bit like a novice in terms of positional understanding. Then Petrosian defended his title against Spassky before losing the rematch. Petrosian remained one of the most powerful chess players in the world in the 1970s, and arguably had a better result against Fischer in the semis than Spassky did in the finals in 1972. 

Petrosian won the title and defended it successfully. He played famous and difficult matches in the 1970s against Fischer and Korchnoi. In 1975, he won the USSR championship ahead of the likes of Tal, Bronstein, Geller, Polugaevsky, and Vaganian (who, at that time, was quite a bit more dangerous than Bronstein).  In 1977, Korchnoi barely beat Petrosian 6.5-5.5. Even as late as 1981, Petrosian beat Kasparov as Black in a Queen's Gambit Accepted. 

Petrosian had plus scores against Euwe, Botvinnik, Bronstein, Smyslov, Tal and Karpov. He had even records against Spassky, Korchnoi and Kasparov. The only world champion or world champion candidate of his generation he had a losing record to was Fischer.

Petrosian never had quite the same accomplishments as Botvinnik, Smyslov or Tal, but his successes were greater than Spassky's. And his legacy as the greatest defender in chess history gives him a unique place in the pantheon of chess greats.

Nice article. It is quaint and packed full of legitimate, powerful information. I'll give it a 9. I'd give it a 10 if you laid in on thicker... lol Wink

nameno1had
hoynck wrote:

@nameno1had

The game with the double rook sacrifice for two bishops, can you remember which one that was? I can't.
But I did already see him do it before 1976. In Biel (Switzerland) I played a youth tournament, and I remember being very proud to copy such a thing in a game with a German player. Devastating white bishops, on e6 and d6, supported by pawns on c5 and f5.
The Interzonal (won by Larsen) with Petrosian in it was also there that year. My best moment those weeks was meeting Petrosian 'in an elevator' of all places, being able to exchange a few words with him. He was very friendly by the way.

You are very fortunate to had had that opportunity. Thanks for sharing those memories. I will look up the game and send you the info...

TheOldReb

Petrosian drew too many games and his best games were of such depth that few can understand them . I much prefer going over Spassky's games than Petrosian's .  Petrosian fans might be surprised to learn that he scored a higher winning % with 1 e4 than his more usual 1 d4 or 1 c4  openings , BUT he also lost more , the draw % in his 1 e4 games went way down ... 

konhidras

Petrosian is undeniably one of the greats. Who knows what would have happened had he stuck to his game plan as he did in the 1966 match.

pocklecod
hoynck wrote:
Reb wrote:

Petrosian drew too many games ... 

What is wrong with a draw? Hope you're not one of those, visiting the races because of the casualties that can happen.

I believe it's argued in "Tigran Petrosian his Life and Games" that the drawing thing was a myth, and they note that he drew a smaller percentage than Fischer and many others.  I read that somewhere anyway...

TetsuoShima
pocklecod wrote:
hoynck wrote:
Reb wrote:

Petrosian drew too many games ... 

What is wrong with a draw? Hope you're not one of those, visiting the races because of the casualties that can happen.

I believe it's argued in "Tigran Petrosian his Life and Games" that the drawing thing was a myth, and they note that he drew a smaller percentage than Fischer and many others.  I read that somewhere anyway...

no it wasnt, he himself said something like : i wont lose if i draw all games or something like that. I cant remember it was probably something líke, other cant win if i dont lose or so. No its reality he himself ones said something like that

GenghisCant
TetsuoShima

ok genghis i forgot that what i liked about this site, do you also have the double facepalm, when one facepalm is not enough.

SmyslovFan

Petrosian drew about 55% of his games. That's more than just about any top player of his generation, and may be the highest drawing % of any world champion.  It's certainly higher than Vladimir Kramnik or Vasily Smyslov.

Petrosian's losing % was far below any other player's, including Bobby Fischer's.

Steve922477

He was one of the greatest ever 5-minute chess players. Didn't expect that did you?

Did you?  No you didn't!  :-)

steve

varelse1

I knew that.

Fischer said Petrosian could make even 5 minutes feel like an eternity.

varelse1

But this is insane, 64 posts in one day. In 3 years on chess.com , I cannot remember seeing Petrosian mentioned in these forums once.

I was begining to wonder if he and Euwe were the Forgotten Soldiers.

DrSpudnik

About a year or so before he died, I watched him play a simul in Boston. No draws there that I could remember. Laughing

TheOldReb

With such a high % of draws I imagine Petrosian has both the lowest win and loss % of all the world champions .  Fischer and Petrosian both lost less than 9% of their games , Fischer drew about 25% of his games . Fischer crushed Petrosian in 1971 handing him 4 straight defeats at the end of their match . Petrosian had never lost 4 games in a row as a GM . 

nameno1had
Reb wrote:

With such a high % of draws I imagine Petrosian has both the lowest win and loss % of all the world champions .  Fischer and Petrosian both lost less than 9% of their games , Fischer drew about 25% of his games . Fischer crushed Petrosian in 1971 handing him 4 straight defeats at the end of their match . Petrosian had never lost 4 games in a row as a GM . 

That is an interesting tid bit Reb...I am not sure if that is more a compliment to Fischer's prowess or to the eventual succumbing of Petrosian, to one of the firsts we all encounter, simply because we are human...

varelse1
Reb wrote:

With such a high % of draws I imagine Petrosian has both the lowest win and loss % of all the world champions .  Fischer and Petrosian both lost less than 9% of their games , Fischer drew about 25% of his games . Fischer crushed Petrosian in 1971 handing him 4 straight defeats at the end of their match . Petrosian had never lost 4 games in a row as a GM . 

True. But before that, in game 2, Petrosian broke Fischer's famous 19 game winning streak. With a win, mind you. Not a draw.

nameno1had
varelse1 wrote:
Reb wrote:

With such a high % of draws I imagine Petrosian has both the lowest win and loss % of all the world champions .  Fischer and Petrosian both lost less than 9% of their games , Fischer drew about 25% of his games . Fischer crushed Petrosian in 1971 handing him 4 straight defeats at the end of their match . Petrosian had never lost 4 games in a row as a GM . 

True. But before that, in game 2, Petrosian broke Fischer's famous 19 game winning streak. With a win, mind you. Not a draw.

It must have made Fischer burn with the desire to win... I'd be pissed and feel like I was laid bare...I'd want revenge

DrSpudnik

Not exactly the term I'd use...Embarassed

[I believe the term "to win" was inserted afterwards! lol]

3dgperdomo
varelse1 wrote:

Petrosian is probably the most obscure WCC out there, except maybe Euwe.

While he had certain games that were highly entertaining, most of his games were boring beyond belief. And I mean boring.

If you sat behind your pawns and waited for him to come at you, you would be waiting a long, long time. Believe me, some GM's tried this. Nearly all his wins came from his opponents misplaying their attacks.

It was his approach to chess. his greatest strength was his ability to sniff out an opponents possible attack, 40 moves before it happened, and prevent it. For those who can appreciate that sort of thing, that's fine. But I have always found studying his games to be the chess equivalent of a root canal. And I consider myself a positional player.

Petrosian has been known to open with the double fianchetto with white. 1.g3, 2.b3. His plan was to sit back, and make sure he had no weaknesses whatsoever. players who attacked him found thier peices stuck in quicksand. Or, just occasionally, they were on the recieving end of a brilliant counter-attack.

To be fair, he was perhaps one of the best endgame players ever. Certainly worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Karpov, or Smyslov.