By whom? Take a look at the current chess news. Anand, Kramnik, Topalov, etc. are all referred to as GM's.
What is the difference between a grandmaster and international master?
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jona004 wrote:The top 20 in the world are usually called IGM's, International Grandmasters.
fischer wrote: jona004 wrote:The top 20 in the world are usually called IGM's, International Grandmasters.
By whom? Take a look at the current chess news. Anand, Kramnik, Topalov, etc. are all referred to as GM's.
I, too have never heard the term IGM.
I know players from Angola here in Portugal that are IMs and yet they are not stronger than me and have never been 2400. Apparently they won the Angolan National Championship and received the title due to this one result, regardless of the strength of the opposition. This greatly cheapens the title imo. Apparently there are many with titles earned in such a questionable manner. Puerto Rico for example has several IM that have never been 2400 fide rating and some were not even 2300, apparently they also got the title on the strength of a single result.
Would you agree that the title GM has also lost some meaning? Or do you think that they should come up with a new title for those that make 2600?
TonightOnly wrote: Would you agree that the title GM has also lost some meaning? Or do you think that they should come up with a new title for those that make 2600?
I think all fide titles lose meaning when not everyone is held to the same standards in order to receive them. To give a title on the strength of a single result and not even consider the level of opposition is a farce.
Reb, I know this is of topic, but how long did it take for you to become a candidate master, and what method do you attribute it to?
lochness88 wrote:
Reb, I know this is of topic, but how long did it take for you to become a candidate master, and what method do you attribute it to?
I dont have a fide title though I am qualified for the candidate master fide title. I became uscf NM in 1984, 11 years after I started playing tournament chess. I was recently also awarded the title of National Master in Portugal , which requires a 2200 fide rating. For years I studied chess a lot more than I played. In the 70s in rural Georgia there wasnt much choice. This was also before the internet so it was a rare treat for me to be able to sit down and face stronger opponents. I played otb tournaments when I could and also played snail mail postal chess as well.
tonydal wrote:
First off, the USCF NM title is not permanent (as I've found out personally now that I'm back down in the expert class).
Also, the NM does not see "all the tactics on the board" that the GM sees. GMs see far more than NMs see; they are simply much much better players. And they are also better than IMs (but as computers demonstrate, even GMs don't see all the tactics on the board).
NM title is permanent, did someone come and take your certificate away from you when you went below 2200? Gms can go below 2500 and they are still GMs , noone comes and takes the title away. Who do you think is stronger: a 2400 GM or a 2500 IM ? Yes........most GMs are stronger than most NMs but I have beaten IMs and GMs, they just beat me a lot more than I beat them. With FMs I score about 50%. Its like a HS diploma.....once you graduate you may reach a state where you can no longer pass the tests that you had to pass to graduate but noone takes away your diploma and you are still a HS "graduate". I recently played a 15 year old FM with a 2505 fide rating and he is as strong as a lot of GMs I have played.
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silentfilmstar13 wrote: fischer wrote: jona004 wrote:The top 20 in the world are usually called IGM's, International Grandmasters.
By whom? Take a look at the current chess news. Anand, Kramnik, Topalov, etc. are all referred to as GM's.
I, too have never heard the term IGM.
I've heard the term mentioned in various chess magazines and i'm pretty sure i've seen photos of the players at the board with IGM on their name plates. Usually in catagory 18+ tournamounts like Corus, etc...
Jan 27, 2008
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The term International Grandmaster was in use and is not different from Grandmaster, which is shorter. When an "N" is placed after a move in an annotated game, it also is a shorter form of "TN" or theoretical novelty which was used before. The USCF title of NM requires a rating of 2200. Those who reached that rating and lost it often call themselves masters. A Life Master keeps the rating of 2200, even with poor results. Other masters may enjoy the title without keeping the rating. There are players who advertise what they not only are not, but never were. There are WGM and WIM titleholders who drop the "W" in their ads. There are World U20 (or other age) title winners who advertise themselves as world champions. Only chess fans familiar with such distinctions know the difference. Others are truly being misled.
Jan 27, 2008
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The best I can determine is that IGM and GM are, and always have been, interchangeable. IGM seems to have gone out of vogue, but you still see it used occasionally.
Jan 27, 2008
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batgirl wrote: The best I can determine is that IGM and GM are, and always have been, interchangeable. IGM seems to have gone out of vogue, but you still see it used occasionally.
Yes, shortening IGM to GM cannot lead to confusion with anything else. Shortening IM to M would not work.
As batgirl and greenlaser both pointed out IGM and GM are the same thing and are used interchangeably but GM is used more. If you look at www.fide.com and check their rating lists there you will see that they usually use simply G to denote IGM/GM, M to denote IM and f to denote fide master (fm). I think fide now also has a candidate master title (fide 2200-2299) but am not sure what they use to denote that, perhaps simply "c" ?
gm's have fide ratins off over 2500 and they have 3 gm norms
im's have fide ratins of 2300 + and 3 im norms
u only have to have a fide ratin of 2400 2 become a woman gm
gm is better than im
Gm requirments need much more then im's ones
whats this?
Perhaps you heard that in post #5 of this very topic.