Who would get 3000 rating first in chess?

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RyanZ_MD

probably next generation but Gukesh maybe

falcon39

Nahh 3000 is much bigger, remember that 2800 was crossed in 1990, and till date the peak is 2885. I think maybe the next GOAT will cross 2900 but not 3000

King_Red_A

Yeah, Ding is done. I doubt he has much more climbing to do.

That does not mean that is is not great, though!

Honchkrowabcd
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
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I think that it will be a very long while before we see someone will hit 3000 in classical because it will take lots of rating inflation for that to ever happen. At least 50 years, and definitely not by anyone who is known today

no, and no

How am I wrong dawg

tsukiyo7809
3000 wont be too far away, maybe around 12-20 years
Ducky3120

not for 50 years

King_Red_A
@tsukiyo7809 wrote:
3000 wont be too far away, maybe around 12-20 years

Whoa. That is a lot of owls. I love that pro pic, man!

AGC-Gambit_YT
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ChessAGC_YT wrote:
wrote:

I think that it will be a very long while before we see someone will hit 3000 in classical because it will take lots of rating inflation for that to ever happen. At least 50 years, and definitely not by anyone who is known today

no, and no

How am I wrong dawg

your claim isn't realistic

AhyanAshik

me?

Honchkrowabcd
AGC-Gambit_YT wrote:
wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
wrote:

I think that it will be a very long while before we see someone will hit 3000 in classical because it will take lots of rating inflation for that to ever happen. At least 50 years, and definitely not by anyone who is known today

no, and no

How am I wrong dawg

your claim isn't realistic

How? In order for someone to be 3000, they would have to be constantly winning games over and over again against other top super gms and with the amount of draws that happen up there it would have to take someone insanely strong and I don't think anyone will be at that level. And rating inflation is a thing, for example like 20 years ago the only person above 2800 was Garry Kasparov but now there are above 10 people there along with the fact that there are much more 2700s

AhyanAshik

me

pcalugaru

Getting to 3000 is total rubbish!

Carlsen's rating has got so many of Gen X and Z's thinking he's the G.O.A.T.

Think you all need to look up "ELO creep"

Elo ratings measure the results within a closed pool of players rather than absolute skill.

FIDE's ELO system is designed to creep up, giving the appearance that the latest top GM's are the greatest of all time FYI... FIDE changed how they evaluate ELOs in 1981... Soon after Kasparov reaches the 2800 mark.

Unfortunately, someone will get to 3000... that said there will be a bunch right behind at 2950

Carlsen and Nakamura have been running a scam on most of you who think they are the greatest of all time... How did Nakamura do in the latest Candidate's cycle? 3rd place ... right? and Carlsen has vacated the WC. Why?

because

Gukesh D

Erigaisi Arjun

Abdusattorov, Nodirbek

Praggnanandhaa R

Because of their youth.... Probably would beat both Nakamura and Carlsen in true match play.

Eventually Father Time will win the day,,, PERIOD! Understanding Carlsen and Nakumura (along with about 4 others (So, Wesley, Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar, Sergey Karjakin, Caruana, Fabiano, come to mind...) are all about the same strength ... Carlsen like Capablanca, like Alekhine, Like Botvinik, Like Karpov, Like Kasparov was just a bit better than his rivals...

Notice I didn't cite Lasker, or Fisher. Carlsen has not dominated his rivals in match play like Lasker did for 20yrs (between 1892 to 1909) The FIDE 12 games format in a limited time control and a speed chess sudden death is a far cry from 12 games or more with an open time limit after a certain amount of moves... that was played in the past (if you think Chess at that level isn't a sport you need to read about the First Karpov and Kasparov WC match

***Counting the week break before official termination, the match lasted five months and five days
Of the 48 total games, 40 were draws, including a streak of 17 in a row
Karpov led 4-0 after nine games and had no fewer than 21 separate games to close out the match, but never got his sixth win
Karpov is estimated to have lost about 22 pounds during the match (Both players blood pressure was off the charts! Both players were having health issues ... Karpov more because he was older.)

That's sport! 

And.... Fisher... No one ripped through a candidates cycle like he did, basically doing his prep in cheap hotel rooms by himself, or sometimes with a part time second (because he didn't trust anyone)

Then in a 21 game match ..... give the reigning World champ 2 points before the match even started!

Lasker is the G.O.A.T... but Fisher put on the G.O.A.T performance of the last 150yrs

King_Red_A

A very interesting report, Comanici... 🤔 I'll have to do my oak research on that to decide what I believe, 🧐 but, what you said makes sense. Thanks for sharing! And, I'm a big Fischer Fan, 🤩 so, I quite liked your appraisal of Bobby. 😁

Keep Chessing & Stay Brilliant!

pcalugaru
King_Red_A wrote:

A very interesting report, Comanici... 🤔 I'll have to do my oak research on that to decide what I believe, 🧐 but, what you said makes sense. Thanks for sharing! And, I'm a big Fischer Fan, 🤩 so, I quite liked your appraisal of Bobby. 😁

Keep Chessing & Stay Brilliant!

Thanks ...

Example: Capablanca vs Alekhine the match lasted 70 days

Playing sessions was limited to 5 hours; the time limit was 40 moves in 2½ hours;

With 17 of the games going past 40 moves (Note: about half of the 17 games the combatants came back the next day and a draw was agreed upon... but that meant they where up all night burning the midnight oil evaluating the position, the other half ... some had to go 3 days or more.

That's a whole lot of mental fatigue... These modern chess players are like modern baseball pitchers (Pre 1960s they pitched the whole game... Now it's 5 innings as a starter or as a closer it's a designated single inning.... .Yea but they didn't pitch as hard..I've heard people say... Yea it's because they had to pitch the whole game! duh....

I wonder how accurate and skillful these modern GM's would play if they had to play matches of a similar format

AGC-Gambit_YT
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Getting to 3000 is total rubbish!

Carlsen's rating has got so many of Gen X and Z's thinking he's the G.O.A.T.

Think you all need to look up "ELO creep"

Elo ratings measure the results within a closed pool of players rather than absolute skill.

FIDE's ELO system is designed to creep up, giving the appearance that the latest top GM's are the greatest of all time FYI... FIDE changed how they evaluate ELOs in 1981... Soon after Kasparov reaches the 2800 mark.

Unfortunately, someone will get to 3000... that said there will be a bunch right behind at 2950

Carlsen and Nakamura have been running a scam on most of you who think they are the greatest of all time... How did Nakamura do in the latest Candidate's cycle? 3rd place ... right? and Carlsen has vacated the WC. Why?

because

Gukesh D

Erigaisi Arjun

Abdusattorov, Nodirbek

Praggnanandhaa R

Because of their youth.... Probably would beat both Nakamura and Carlsen in true match play.

Eventually Father Time will win the day,,, PERIOD! Understanding Carlsen and Nakumura (along with about 4 others (So, Wesley, Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar, Sergey Karjakin, Caruana, Fabiano, come to mind...) are all about the same strength ... Carlsen like Capablanca, like Alekhine, Like Botvinik, Like Karpov, Like Kasparov was just a bit better than his rivals...

Notice I didn't cite Lasker, or Fisher. Carlsen has not dominated his rivals in match play like Lasker did for 20yrs (between 1892 to 1909) The FIDE 12 games format in a limited time control and a speed chess sudden death is a far cry from 12 games or more with an open time limit after a certain amount of moves... that was played in the past (if you think Chess at that level isn't a sport you need to read about the First Karpov and Kasparov WC match

***Counting the week break before official termination, the match lasted five months and five days
Of the 48 total games, 40 were draws, including a streak of 17 in a row
Karpov led 4-0 after nine games and had no fewer than 21 separate games to close out the match, but never got his sixth win
Karpov is estimated to have lost about 22 pounds during the match (Both players blood pressure was off the charts! Both players were having health issues ... Karpov more because he was older.)

That's sport! 

And.... Fisher... No one ripped through a candidates cycle like he did, basically doing his prep in cheap hotel rooms by himself, or sometimes with a part time second (because he didn't trust anyone)

Then in a 21 game match ..... give the reigning World champ 2 points before the match even started!

Lasker is the G.O.A.T... but Fisher put on the G.O.A.T performance of the last 150yrs

You just have a biased opinion, this is sort of right but tilted on your bad perspective.