Shogi and Xiangqi pieces and characters

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HGMuller

I did some construction work for Wa and Tori Shogi as well. These games are played with drops, so distinguishing sides by color does not work. I therefore used some cheap Shogi sets for obtaining the pentagonal tiles, and put stickers on their faces to get the piece images I wanted. Two regular Shogi sets is just enough to make a Tori and a Wa set, if you have them share two pieces. (Kings and Cloud Eagle / Right Quail, which do not promote and are thus single-sided). I used the mnemonic pieces, but of course you could do this with any piece images you want. The Wa set looks like this:

Drawgood
Shogi characters are kind of difficult to recognize and remember. Actually the whole Shogi game is very poorly designed and stylized in my opinion.

Xiangqi on the other hand has characters that are easy to remember. I play it against computer on my iPhone and after a couple weeks of playing I easily distinguish them at a glance.

Chinese chess characters are much easier to remember if you think about the piece they represent and then see how the symbol actually abstractly depicts that.

Horse: four dots on the bottom of the character should remind you of a four legged animal.
Chariot/rook: imagine a cart with two large wheels and then think how it would like from above. I actually think of it as some kind of ship sail.

Red side bishop/advisor: looks like a stick man holding a piece of paper. Makes me think of an official who is writing something down or reading.

Black bishop/elephant: if you look at it it actually looks like a cartoon stick elephant. On left lower side are tiny legs. In center is either the trunk or large tusk. The square on top of the symbol almost certainly represents a saddle where the archers or commanders probably sat. That's how it is in Indian original chess pieces.

Pawns/soldiers: black one looks like a soldier's head with a traditional Asian helmet that has flaps over the ears. Maybe resembles Mongolian hats.
black. Not sure what the black one looks like but it does have four sticks like they could be legs and arms.

Cannon: Stuckman standing next to some weapon which is probably the cannon.

king's guards. Stickmen

King: I am not sure about this one at all. They just look like the most squiggly symbol of all.
EGleb
evertVB wrote:
The Dutch site is updated every now and then when a tournament has taken place. They don't bring the English site in sync - which explains your observation.

Well colour me astounded. It seems like the site has indeed seen some activity since I last looked at it at the beginning of summer. This is good news!

The piece sets are also still available; guess I need to start drawing up a birthday wish list (or save up)...

EGleb
HGMuller wrote:

I did some construction work for Wa and Tori Shogi as well. These games are played with drops, so distinguishing sides by color does not work. I therefore used some cheap Shogi sets for obtaining the pentagonal tiles, and put stickers on their faces to get the piece images I wanted. Two regular Shogi sets is just enough to make a Tori and a Wa set, if you have them share two pieces.

Nekomado.com sells/sold blank shogi sets for exactly this sort of thing; of course you get to pay through the nose for shipping. They had Chu sets and separate Drunk Elephant pieces as well.

HGMuller

It seems they still do; thanks for the link. In quality wood such blank tiles are still pretty expensive ($150 for 44 tiles), but this would only make sense when you carve the images on them. They also have a cheap wooden set ($14 for 40 tiles), with 6 different tile sizes. (Apparently Knight and Lance are not supposed to be the same size!)

I bought very low quality (and very small) sets for 6 euro each, on a stand at the World Open Shogi Championship last week. (It seems this was merchandize from Chess & Go Shop "Het Paard".) There were only 3 different tile sizes, the width of identical pieces could vary as much as 10%, and the carved out kanji were often nearly the same color as the surrounding material. The latter was good for me, of course. Putting stickers of uniform size on them sort of masks the width variations anyway.

Amazon sells a set of 22 Shogi pieces for $8. They are slightly bigger than those I bought, but the kanji seem painted on them rather than carved. This might make them shine through any sticker you glue over them, but OTOH you might be able to sand-paper them off.

For the Chu Shogi pieces I bought two boxes of 35mm Draughts chips for 8.50 Euro each. The 29mm chips for the Pawns I still had lying around, as left-overs from constructing Ultima pieces. That makes about 25 euro worth of Draughts chips.

evert823
HGMuller wrote:

I just constructed a Chu Shogi set forover-the-board play. In Chu Shogi there are no drops, so it is no problem to give both players a different color, white and black. (Which is much easier to recognize for the human eye than the orientation of pentagons.) So I just used three sets of draughts chips (2 boxes of 35mm disks for the pieces, and a box of slightly smaller 32mm disks for the Pawns, and glued the images of the pieces on top of those. For this I cut out the mnemonic piece shapes from stickers.

 

The 32 large chips (8 stacks of 4) and 14 small chips (3 stacks of 5, with one spare Pawn) of one color conveniently fit into the boxes in which the big chips came. This set allows a novice to play Chu with only 5 min of introduction (although during the game he would probably have to peek on the back of the pieces to see how they promote). Basically only the Lion, Eagle and Falcon double-moves have to be explained, plus general rules on promotion. The rest is self-evident.

Picture by HGMuller of his schematic pieces next to the kanji:

HGMuller

We forgot to put the kanji piece for the King on the board!

A nice idea that I am trying to implement now is to program a laptop as a chess clock that makes (and stores) a photograph of the board every time you switch it.

Unfortunately the camera of my laptop looks up, but fixing a tiny mirror just above it makes it see the entire board.

Also note how little resolution you need to easily recognize the schematic pieces. Imaginehow that photograph would look if the board would have been filled with kanji pieces...

BlargDragon

Korean Chess/Janggi is pretty neat. You can also transpose one or both side's elephant and horse. I think I prefer it to Xiangqi just for the greater mobility of most of the pieces. I had ordered a set from Yellow Mountain Imports years ago--wooden folding board and plastic pieces. The board had a bend to it, and when I let them know they said their whole stock was defective, and to keep it all for free.

BlargDragon

Browsing YMI's online store was where I learned of Stratego's parent and cousin, Dou Shou Qi and Lu Zhan Qi respectively. The former's not very exciting, and the latter doesn't appear to be sold there any more (I've never played it).

I've been meaning to buy a Go set from them for a while now. My Go set up is a thin particleboard board and plastic bowls and pieces. I just wanted a set to play, more than anything.

BlargDragon

Mine is a Go board on one side and a Xiangqi board on the other. I tend to just not play 13x13, and I just drew a 9x9 board on printer paper. I'm decent, I think; on Dragon Go Server I'm ranked 20k, but a lot of that is games I've timed out on. I'm almost certainly closer to 15k (which is something like 12k or 13k in AGA/Japan).

I've played a little Pente, and I'm pretty good at not being very good at it.

evert823
HGMuller wrote:

We forgot to put the kanji piece for the King on the board!

A nice idea that I am trying to implement now is to program a laptop as a chess clock that makes (and stores) a photograph of the board every time you switch it.

 

Unfortunately the camera of my laptop looks up, but fixing a tiny mirror just above it makes it see the entire board.

Also note how little resolution you need to easily recognize the schematic pieces. Imaginehow that photograph would look if the board would have been filled with kanji pieces...

I created an image of a large 12x12 board:

http://scrybqj.com/images_diversen/12x12board_with_edge.jpg

If one could have this printed on a large piece of carton, or even vinyl like the Chu Shogi board that is selled by mrs. Hodges, that would be great for these pieces.

By the way I'm also looking into 16x16:

http://scrybqj.com/images_diversen/16x16board_with_edge.jpg

evert823

The result of printing the 12x12 image on 70x70 cm carton:

A single field is 54 mm.

wb_munchausen

How to play Xiangqi in English:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8R8a8CqVw0

IvanKosintsev
HGMuller wrote:

I just constructed a Chu Shogi set forover-the-board play. In Chu Shogi there are no drops, so it is no problem to give both players a different color, white and black. (Which is much easier to recognize for the human eye than the orientation of pentagons.) So I just used three sets of draughts chips (2 boxes of 35mm disks for the pieces, and a box of slightly smaller 32mm disks for the Pawns, and glued the images of the pieces on top of those. For this I cut out the mnemonic piece shapes from stickers.

 

The 32 large chips (8 stacks of 4) and 14 small chips (3 stacks of 5, with one spare Pawn) of one color conveniently fit into the boxes in which the big chips came. This set allows a novice to play Chu with only 5 min of introduction (although during the game he would probably have to peek on the back of the pieces to see how they promote). Basically only the Lion, Eagle and Falcon double-moves have to be explained, plus general rules on promotion. The rest is self-evident.

This is truly a new era of chess. Please write own topic about this design. Thank you very much for your unanimity.

lokmanidris7

www.youtube.com/c/ASMRChessXiangqi

The best tutorial for Xiangqi

 

zobb6655

I played both extensively a long time ago and quickly got used to them within a few days...,

T-jankins9522
For traditional shogi, gold general has a big arrow, silver has a smaller one.