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Jan 6, 2019
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Harper's Magazine, January 1962 published an article by Ralph Ginzburg, perhaps not the most likeable source, in which he recounts his interview with Fischer. About Fischer and Lisa Lane he wrote:
Lisa Lane has said-and lots of other people agree-that you're probably the greatest chess player alive.
That statement is accurate, but Lisa Lane really wouldn't be in a position to know. They're all weak, all women. They're stupid compared to men. They shouldn't play chess, you know. They're like beginners. They lose every single game against a man. There isn't a woman player in the world I can't give knight-odds to and still beat.
I had once spoken with a man who frequented the Queen's Pawn, Lisa Lane's chess emporium, in the early 1960s. He said Fischer and Lisa lane seemed to get along fine- if not actual friends, at least cordial. He remembers that Fischer came into the emporium to try to drum up wiling participants for a large simul (I think it was to be record-setting at the time) he was planning. This was in Nov. 1963 because the JFK assassination interfered with Fischer's plans.
Here what Frank Brady had to say about the failed simul in Profile of a Prodigy:
Bobby Fischer had planned a 400 board simul on Wednesday, November 27, 1963 - the day before Thanksgiving.
It was to be a publicity coup: Life magazine wanted to do a pictorial; Jeremy Bernstein of The New Yorker was to play in it and write a story from an insider's perspective; ABC's Wide World of Sports was considering devoting an entire Sunday afternoon to the event.
It was to be a lush affair: Fischer planned on wearing a tuxedo; the Grand Ballroom of the Hotel Astor was reserved; President Kennedy, who would be in NY that day, was sent an invitation.
But Kennedy wouldn't be in New York that day - or any other day. He was shot on November 22.
The simul was postponed. Then, a month later, the grand Ballroom was gutted by a fire. No other suitable, yet affordable, site could be found and the project was eventually cancelled.
Jan 6, 2019
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#5
I'm really not concerned with the Facebook author, but rather the idea that this quote (remember Tal's famous semi-comical retort to Fischer's notion that he could give any woman in the world Knight odds -again validating the given quote: "Fischer is Fischer but a Knight is a Knight") is somehow incompatible to Fischer and therefore must be false. To me it instead exemplifies younger Fischer - telling the truth as he sees it without flinching or holding back - yet in a rather civil, rational and brash manner. I find young Fischer comes across just as hard not to like as older Fischer comes across as hard to like. But a lot of water had flowed under the bridge connecting the two.
Several credible sources recount Fischer's low opinion of female chess players. That these quotes are verbatim seems unlikely, but the sense of the quotes are most likely true to Fischer.
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@batgirl - yes, agree, Bobby's Fischer straightforward remarks always seem to be offensive to worshippers of PC (political correctness). I do believe that late Bobby would comments women chess differently, especially after he met over the board the famous chess trio - Polgar sisters. He lived at their home in Budapest, Hungary for some time.
Jan 7, 2019
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#11
I cant help but think that life gave bobby fischer a strange hand , he is and will always be one of the greatest chess players to ever play the game but it also left him a harsh life in terms of human relationships and for that I feel sorry for him , but he did something incredible in his life didn't he and that can never be taken from him
Jan 7, 2019
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#12
If this was the Legendary Bobby Fischer playing against Nigel Short,, this was one crazy crazy game.
Having gone for the most bizarre opening, just like he did in his previous games, Fischer had played a very eccentric game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObmFR5Dz7Ac
sorry cannot embed video as yt poster has disabled it , but I hope you enjoy watching this vid as I did
Fisher was anti-social, moody on a good day, but he could push wood !
The best game in my lifetime was Fisher's unsanctioned one-on-one with Spassky, the first game when he opened black with Pirc the crowd cheered, they all loved him and he played to a draw. He won with 10 wins, 5 loses and 37 draws.
Thanks for your invite.
Jan 8, 2019
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#17
Lounours wrote:
I wasn't sure how to respond to this bizarre image/comment. The accusation of "Fake News" usually is hurled at reports that don't suit one's agenda.
I'm guessing you are calling Gunzburg an unreliable source - which on the surface may very well seem likely since Fischer denied he ever said any of that. However, it seems that Fischer was more unreliable in this case because he repeated those exact same sentiments...almost those exact same words.... in a televised interview a year later.
some background:
Lisa Lane was participating in the women's section of the Hastings Tournament 1961-62 and withdrew, "forfeiting four games and being held to a draw in the fifth," claiming to be in love back home and wanting to be near this man (Neil Hickey).
The woman's world chess champion, until she lost to Nona Gaprindashvili in October 1962, was Elisaveta Bykova.
The interview with Fischer took place on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.) and was conducted by Bob Quintrell.
Last year, Olimpiu Urcan tweeted a clip from that interview that had to do with Fischer discussing women chess players : https://twitter.com/olimpiuurcan/status/969224340297302021
Kevin Spraggett offered some more information: http://www.spraggettonchess.com/rare-fischer-interview-in-canada-1963/
The interview obviously took place between January 1962 and October 1962 since Lane had withdrawn from the Hastings Winter Tournament and Bykova was still women's world chess champion.
One can listen to the video - which would be optimal since you can hear Fischer's tone, his embarrassed laughs and boyish naivety while watching his facial expression - or, in case the video disappears, read the transcript below. During the interview Fischer was obviously bushwhacked by Quintrell's loaded questions...it's also just as obvious that Quintrell was pre-aware of Fischer's POV (harking once again back to both the Times and Harpers articles).
I transcribed the dialogue as well as I was able. Some may hear things slightly differently:
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Quintrell: How about this girl Lisa Lane, getting a lot of publicity about falling in love or something and not being able to play... what do you think of this?
Fischer: Well, I don't know..I uh...it doesn't seem like a very good excuse to me.
Quintrell: Is she a good player?
Fischer: Well, not too good. The women aren't really very good players. I guess I could give everyone of them a Knight and still win easily, even the world champion, this Russian woman, Bykova. [unclear, They're all (Knights?) easily].
Quintrell: Why is it? Women make bad chess players?
Fischer: Oh, they're terrible chess players. I mean some are better than others..you know.. but...they don't play in men's tournaments. I don't know why...I guess they're just not so smart.
Quintrell: Does this apply to all women, do you think?
Fischer: Well, I guess so. I don't know. They have never turned out a good women chess player..never one that could stand up against a man in the history of chess.
Quintrell: Do you enjoy playing against women?
Fischer: No, I've never played a woman in a tournament game.
Quintrell: Would you?
Fischer: I'd play them but I don't think they'd wanna play me.
Quintrell: Would you call yourself a misogynist?
Fischer: Excuse me... what's the definition of that word?
Quintrell: A woman hater?
Fischer: Nah......
Quintrell: No? What do you think of women?
Fischer: When it comes to chess, not too much.
Quintrell: What about outside chess?
Fischer: Well, I don't think they should mess in intellectual affairs, you know what I mean. They should keep strictly to the home.
Quintrell: A women's place is over the hot stove?
Fischer: No, they can't cook but they can stay in the house cleaning and things.
Quintrell: What can they do?
Fischer: Well, you know.... just be at home, waiting for their man to come home...
ends
Personally, I found Fischer charming and truthful in this interview. His arcane views on women are probably just as suggestive of his times as anything. Susan Polgar, who had posted this video also - the page seems no longer available - claimed that by the time Fischer visited the Polgar home, his views on women had evolved.
Limit judgement to chess. Personality is not the issue.
Oh, Lounours. stuff it,
Batgirl puts up a good article, I happen to mention Fisher in a comment and your head explodes!
Fake News? Seriously? You even "yell", with caps, like a Fox Fool.
Jan 8, 2019
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#19
For some reason Fischer, who, barring the Spassky match in 1992, last played serious chess almost a half-century ago, is pretty polarizing and brings out the vitriol in some folks. It's easier and far more fruitful not to take such things personally or discuss it emotionally.
Jan 8, 2019
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#20
@ batgirl
I'm not sure my intentions were well understood !
I am a French musician who loves chess.
After reading your article, I simply decided to forward your arguments to the author* of the Facebook post who quoted you in January 2018 (see my post #12 above).
* Bobby Fischer's True History, Facebook page obviously as paranoid and anti-Semitic as Bobby Fischer himself!
My post #17 was simply a capture of Bobby Fischer's True History's response to my comments.
After this answer, BFTH, obviously in great shape, posted three new articles against you (the last one only two hours ago):
https://www.facebook.com/BobbyFischerTruth/photos/a.294270821092402/546778882508260/
https://www.facebook.com/BobbyFischerTruth/photos/a.294270821092402/546851792500969/
https://www.facebook.com/BobbyFischerTruth/posts/547309512455197
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator
Once again, I was looking for one thing and found something else -this posting on Facebook:
No source is provided for this quote. No legitimate source that is. None that would be accepted by legitimate historians.
Fischer considered all women players weak: "They're all fish. Lisa, you might say, is the best of the American fish."
- en.chessbase (com) /post/lisa-lane-the-first-che-beauty-queen
Based on this article:
"She considered her contemporary and then US men's champion, Bobby Fischer, the greatest player ever. Fischer considered all women players weak: "They're all fish. Lisa, you might say, is the best of the American fish."
- chess (com) /blog/batgirl/lisa-lane
"Both Lisa and her husband were friends of Bobby Fischer and assisted Fischer in some chess articles. (Despite her friendship with him, Fischer was not impressed with Lane's, or any woman's, chess playing abilities: "They're all fish. Lisa, you might say, is the best of the American fish.")[3]
"Lisa Lane". Batgirl/Chess (com). Retrieved Feb 24, 2011.
"Bat Girl" is the source. That sounds very scholarly, doesn't it?
But "Bat Girl" does not provide her source.
"After that the well-known (and super-prolific) chess writer Dimitrije Bjelica (a Serbian who was born in 1935) wrote an article about Lisa Lane (born 1938) and Gisela Greaser (born 1906). Lisa was a friend of Fischer, but that didn’t stop Fischer from putting down female chess players. He said, “They’re all fish. Lisa, you might say, is the best of the American fish.” Gisela Gresser dominated women’s chess for many years (winning nine national chess..."
- chess (com)/article/view/my-favorite-u-s-chess-magazines-part-2
But where is the source of the quote? To which magazine or newspaper did Fischer state this? Or was it pulled out of thin air?
"Lisa Lane suddenly stopped gathering the spotlight. Completely. It was completely forgotten. Chess in America meant only Bobby Fischer . The great American champion did not appreciate, as it is known, the women's chess skills. In 1966 he stated: "They're all fish. Lisa, you might say, is the best of the American fish. »
- translate.google (com) /translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http:// skakistiko.blogspot (com) /2007/10/lisa-lane.html
Provides a source! which no longer exists on the web, so I found it on Internet Archive... and guess what. There is NO SOURCE for this quote. Made up by some hoax perpetrating fraud... and disappeared.
"Championship, placing 12th out of 18 players in the Women’s Candidates Tournament. However, Lane experienced a major turnaround by sharing a win at the 1966 U.S. Women’s Chess Championship with Gisela Gresser. She considered her contemporary and then - U.S. Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer, the greatest player ever. Fischer considered all women players weak:
"They're all fish. Lisa, you might say, is the best of the American fish."
- worldchesshof (org) /sites/default/files/wchofbiopackets.pdf
The quote doesn't even make any sense at all, just as it stood out to me when I first read it months ago.
From what I can gather from the web, here is the root source of this FAKE quote. Found it on Archive / Wayback Machine:
batgirl.atspace (com) /LisaLane.html
For the record batgirl.atspace.com was an old url -and can be found on the wayback machine. All my pages with the same filenames are on edochess.ca/batgirl/ now.
The quote - the source of which which I cited numerous times (and even published the article itself) - is from Newsweek vol. 57 May 22, 1960.