Don't play blitz or bullet if you want to get better. It doesn't matter.
Anyone else frustrated with people being 400 on blitz/bullet and then end up being 1200 on rapid
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Blakethesnakeroberts wrote:
This happens to me constantly on bullet and blitz games. I'm playing someone rated 450 or something, and they seem suspiciously good. They read my attacks, appear to know counters to lines I've learned, etc. After the game I look and they're 1000-1200 level rapid players with a lot of games played.
I get that people can be at different levels on different parameters, but that kind of difference is a little ridiculous. Obviously, a 1200 doesn't play like a 400 just because they switch to blitz.
This seems to make a lot of players on that format have erroneously low ratings. It seems like there should be a maximum level of difference between your rating level on your highest format and lowest.
There could be one of two things... your opponent never used to play blitz/bullet but plays a lot of rapid and got better and improved their chess and decided to try blitz/bullet that's why it was still at 400 not some 800-1000 you'd expect, but it will soon after they win a few more games
Or
Maybe they keep a low blitz/bullet rating because they enjoy sandbagging... which is very unlikely but can easily be found out by checking out their games
Jan 19, 2022
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Morfizera wrote:
Blakethesnakeroberts wrote:
This happens to me constantly on bullet and blitz games. I'm playing someone rated 450 or something, and they seem suspiciously good. They read my attacks, appear to know counters to lines I've learned, etc. After the game I look and they're 1000-1200 level rapid players with a lot of games played.
I get that people can be at different levels on different parameters, but that kind of difference is a little ridiculous. Obviously, a 1200 doesn't play like a 400 just because they switch to blitz.
This seems to make a lot of players on that format have erroneously low ratings. It seems like there should be a maximum level of difference between your rating level on your highest format and lowest.
There could be one of two things... your opponent never used to play blitz/bullet but plays a lot of rapid and got better and improved their chess and decided to try blitz/bullet that's why it was still at 400 not some 800-1000 you'd expect, but it will soon after they win a few more games
Or
Maybe they keep a low blitz/bullet rating because they enjoy sandbagging... which is very unlikely but can easily be found out by checking out their games
Yes, I imagine it's the first. Just played another guy who was rated as a 600 in bullet. After the game I check and he has played 2,000 rapid games and is rated a 1300.
Just seems like you should have to start no lower than a few hundred points below your best rating.
Jan 19, 2022
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#5
Check out what percentage of times they get timed out. I bet it is a high percentage.
Jan 19, 2022
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Yeah, it happens. That guy you're paired up to in the teams match, you check his profile and in other time controls they're 600 points better, but at the time control you're playing they're 100 points lower than you. When you lose you get ****** in the *** ratings wise. Such is life. Someone has to play them at that rating until it becomes accurate. Guess what, it was you. It's kind of just unfortunate, luck of the draw stuff. Some days are diamonds, some days are stone.
Blakethesnakeroberts wrote:
Morfizera wrote:
Blakethesnakeroberts wrote:
This happens to me constantly on bullet and blitz games. I'm playing someone rated 450 or something, and they seem suspiciously good. They read my attacks, appear to know counters to lines I've learned, etc. After the game I look and they're 1000-1200 level rapid players with a lot of games played.
I get that people can be at different levels on different parameters, but that kind of difference is a little ridiculous. Obviously, a 1200 doesn't play like a 400 just because they switch to blitz.
This seems to make a lot of players on that format have erroneously low ratings. It seems like there should be a maximum level of difference between your rating level on your highest format and lowest.
There could be one of two things... your opponent never used to play blitz/bullet but plays a lot of rapid and got better and improved their chess and decided to try blitz/bullet that's why it was still at 400 not some 800-1000 you'd expect, but it will soon after they win a few more games
Or
Maybe they keep a low blitz/bullet rating because they enjoy sandbagging... which is very unlikely but can easily be found out by checking out their games
Yes, I imagine it's the first. Just played another guy who was rated as a 600 in bullet. After the game I check and he has played 2,000 rapid games and is rated a 1300.
Just seems like you should have to start no lower than a few hundred points below your best rating.
They do start similar, but what if someone plays a few games of rapid blitz and bullet, then start studying and playing only rapid, improves a lot, whenever he decides playing his blitz and bullet rating is going to be still low from where he wasn't as good...
Getting blitz or bullet rating for having a higher rapid rating makes absolutely no sense
I think the two ratings are separate for a reason. My rapid rating is over 1000 but my blitz rating is half of that because, in blitz, I have trouble finding the moves fast enough without either blundering or timing out.
Jan 21, 2022
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MisterWindUpBird wrote:
Yeah, it happens. That guy you're paired up to in the teams match, you check his profile and in other time controls they're 600 points better, but at the time control you're playing they're 100 points lower than you. When you lose you get ****** in the *** ratings wise. Such is life. Someone has to play them at that rating until it becomes accurate. Guess what, it was you. It's kind of just unfortunate, luck of the draw stuff. Some days are diamonds, some days are stone.
I would agree if it were rare, but virtually every time I check my bullet opponents' ratings they are above 1000 in rapid and playing somewhere around 400-500 in bullet/blitz.
Blakethesnakeroberts skrev:
MisterWindUpBird wrote:
Yeah, it happens. That guy you're paired up to in the teams match, you check his profile and in other time controls they're 600 points better, but at the time control you're playing they're 100 points lower than you. When you lose you get ****** in the *** ratings wise. Such is life. Someone has to play them at that rating until it becomes accurate. Guess what, it was you. It's kind of just unfortunate, luck of the draw stuff. Some days are diamonds, some days are stone.
I would agree if it were rare, but virtually every time I check my bullet opponents' ratings they are above 1000 in rapid and playing somewhere around 400-500 in bullet/blitz.
But your own Rating is like 800 Rapid and 400 bullet. Playing faster chess game is very hard especially when new to chess.
I blunder so much when I play blitz. Like hang pieces for free so I can just instaresign after my own move.
Mar 13, 2022
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#11
It's good to know that I am not the only one who ran in to this "issue". I like to play players with similar strength, but sometimes 500-700 rated bullet players play WAY better than me, so my only chance is to win on time, which sucks, but I have no other choice. Is there a way to match players based not only on bullet elo, but rapid as well? I understand some people play mostly blitz/rapid, but those high rated players (high compared to my elo of course) will definitely have better knowledge of the game overall, despite being low rated on bullet.
Also, am I the only one who likes to have similar rating on bullet/blitz/rapid?
Jun 9, 2022
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#13
Blitz ratings under 1200 are almost totally random, and we're not allowed to talk about why that is the case here.
Jun 9, 2022
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#14
(but you should really /wonder/ why thousands of 400 or 500 elo players all over the world often rip out wild attack lines 10-12 moves long 1s/move and then when you analyze after being crushed you see it's all tiny centipawn loss assuming you defend super-precisely... then you check their other games and they often blunder to resign loss in 4-5 moves.... they must do some master -level prep and then selectively forget it all, i guess.)
(then there are the 400-500s that play like i expect 400-500s to play. it's obvious who's who even before you review their games.)
(i'm surprised you find ones that are strong rapid players tho - most of the players i'm talking about don't play anything but blitz, have never done a puzzle, and never seem to analyze their games... they're just that good.)
some are underrated, some are late bloomers or better at slower formats while its the opposite with many high rated players having high bullet ratings but low rapid ones. it varies from person to person so tbh i dont really think its anything special, its just another friend 
Jun 9, 2022
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#17
It is not that extreme, but I am a little over 1100 rapid, little over 1200 daily and only little over 700 blitz. I am also on my way up in rapid and daily with a win rate of around 75% lately in both.
I guess the thing for me is, I have studied quite a bit. Read books, done tactics puzzles and so on. I need time to think so I can use what I have learnt and blitz just seems a little too fast.
It is not intentional or anything, I am just better with more time.
I also do not play blitz too often, so obviously it could be my rating is not completely caught up with my progress...
something worth noting is that there are few players who can master all formats so much to the point that they are pretty consistent with their play and results, a bad example would be hikaru due to the fact that he is a super elite GM but he still highlights what i mean regardless
This happens to me constantly on bullet and blitz games. I'm playing someone rated 450 or something, and they seem suspiciously good. They read my attacks, appear to know counters to lines I've learned, etc. After the game I look and they're 1000-1200 level rapid players with a lot of games played.
I get that people can be at different levels on different parameters, but that kind of difference is a little ridiculous. Obviously, a 1200 doesn't play like a 400 just because they switch to blitz.
This seems to make a lot of players on that format have erroneously low ratings. It seems like there should be a maximum level of difference between your rating level on your highest format and lowest.