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KeViN246
oinquarki wrote:
KeViN246 wrote:

too much work.


You have any idea how much it would cost chess.com to analyze every single move of every single game in real time?

And it would still be helping you by telling you if you have a good plan.


computer doesnt know what youre planning. just knows if a piece is in a good strategic position. i dont think it would be too much trouble. it already shows checks with a + and mates with a #. it knows when a game is a draw. 

erik

you can do this AFTER the game with the "Computer Analysis" link

kco

don't think that what he was talking about, pretty sure he mean on going game and when he made some strange move, computer pop up with a '?' '??' or '!' to let him know he has done something right or wrong. 

trysts
kco wrote:

don't think that what he was talking about, pretty sure he mean on going game and when he made some strange move, computer pop up with a '?' '??' or '!' to let him know he has done something right or wrong. 


Umm...that's why erik wrote "AFTER".

KeViN246

these arent FIDE games. if its done for both players, whats the harm? computers not suggesting moves. its just letting you know, after the fact, if a move was questionable or good.

KeViN246
erik wrote:

you can do this AFTER the game with the "Computer Analysis" link


computer analysis shows the correct move, but doesnt explain why its the correct move. then it does a continuation of more correct moves that only a computer or gm would make. i people i play arent grand masters so it really doesnt help me. maybe if there was an explanation along with the analysis, it would be more helpful.

reapwwsow

Mabye adding them in after the game is finished? Then you could use them to improve without receiving assistance during the game

ivandh
KeViN246 wrote:
erik wrote:

you can do this AFTER the game with the "Computer Analysis" link


computer analysis shows the correct move, but doesnt explain why its the correct move. then it does a continuation of more correct moves that only a computer or gm would make. i people i play arent grand masters so it really doesnt help me. maybe if there was an explanation along with the analysis, it would be more helpful.


http://www.chess.com/coaches/ is what you're after.

omnipaul

Every move affects every subsequent move.  Learning something about a move that you already made tells you something about the current position, and may change your future moves based on this new understanding.

If the move list popped up a '?' after you made a move, you'll know that there's something wrong about that move and you'll have an opportunity while your opponent is thinking to figure out why that move was bad.  If your opponent didn't capitalize on it, then you now have a second chance to fix the problem.  If the computer hadn't given you that hint, you would have taken a different path after your opponent's move.

If, on the other hand, it gave you a '!' after a seemingly innocuous move, you'd know that there's more to the move than you originally thought.  Again, your following move would be made under different mental conditions than if it hadn't told you anything.

In both of these cases, the computer told you something about the position that you didn't realize, which affected your later thinking about the game.  This is, by definition, receiving computer assistance during the game.

 

Now, the point of looking at the computer analysis after the game is to see what moves should have been made.  You look down the different lines the computer gives and compare it to what you did.  Try to see why the computer analysis line is better.  Sometimes its easy - "oh, I missed a fork.  I'll have to remember to keep an eye out for that."  Sometimes its more subtle.  If you don't understand the more subtle ones, that's something you can take up with a friend/coach.  It usually means there's something more about the position or about chess in general that you need to learn ("So, in the computer line, you purposefully lose a tempo to gain a more advantageous position.  This maneuver with the king is called 'triangulation'").

KeViN246

analysis would work better with explanations. if both players get help the field is still even. not like these games count. 

sdubs3123
KeViN246 wrote:

i think instant feedback would help more. players are more likely to remember mistakes. analysis after the game you dont really remember what you were thinking at the time. plus the computer shows 5 or 6 correct moves for each player, but more than likely your opponent wouldnt make the computers move.


 I disagree for the same reasons you agree.  If you send your game (after it is over!), to chess.com to analyze, they will analyze every move (which is very cool in itself, i don't know how people can be selfish and ask for me, but that's just me).

Anyways, having the game analyzed after it is finished allows you to review the game over a second time.  You can analyze all of your moves again, as well as compare them to what the chess.com analysis would have done.  It's like studying for a test, you will remember info better if you look at it more than once.

KeViN246

i agree, justs needs explanations with the moves. still think instant feed back would be better. at least for me.

oinquarki
KeViN246 wrote:

i agree, justs needs explanations with the moves. still think instant feed back would be better. at least for me.


See post #28.

KeViN246
oinquarki wrote:
KeViN246 wrote:

i agree, justs needs explanations with the moves. still think instant feed back would be better. at least for me.


See post #28.


see post #1, #3, #15 and #33, oh and this one

KeViN246

another problem i have with you purists. isnt having a click to submit option and an analyze board option cheating? in a FIDE game, hell yeah. these arent FIDE games. this sight is for fun, so anything that helps a player get better and enjoy the game more should be allowed as long as its fair to both players. click to submit option isnt fair to me. i play touch move. isnt the analyze board option computer assistance? doesnt it allow you the player to try out different scenarios and strategies? 

think about it

oinquarki
KeViN246 wrote:

think about it


KeViN246

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