Chess.com is rigged.

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Mikosche

Same matchmaking algorithms as in other online games like FIFA or Overwatch. You'll get a few games where people play the same openings and you'll win most of them and all of a sudden there are games in a row with weird other openings and players not blundering anything while playing super fast so you lose to them. Happens ALWAYS. It's an up and down, just enough to make you stay on the site.

Why? Well to spend more time on this bullshit site and to buy the subscription. Because the site makes you feel you'll need to study everything to win the games you're currently losing to.

The system IS NOT RANDOM. It FORCES you to either win or lose. You have to outperform always the games where chesss.com puts you into a disadvantage while you can underperform in games where you have a higher chance of winning. Simple as that. It just doesn't make ANY sense for players having such a high skill difference at low Elo. 

How can anyone defend such manipulative websites?

Jeez, I hate the manipulative moneymaking industry.

llama36
Mikosche wrote:

It just doesn't make ANY sense for players having such a high skill difference at low Elo. 

Everyone has good days and bad days, good games and bad games. Doesn't matter the Elo. Sometimes you see a good move, and sometimes you make a dumb mistake. Happens to everyone... even your opponents...

Mikosche

No it's only this platform where you can see those weird algorithm games.

on other online chess sites it's random. It's not about good or bad games, it's something to force you to buy the sub. It's all about money

Mattew

What ? You just play your game. The best player wins. Unless there are cheats.

SashaClaude
Mikosche wrote:

The system IS NOT RANDOM.

I doubt they put that much thought into the matchmaking algorithm. Can you point to a juncture in your game history where this happened? The absence of randomness can be proven statistically.

x-1198923638

Since the database is public,  your theory is falsifiable statistically, and therefore an actual hypothesis in the scientific sense and not just an opinion.

Have you tried to support it with numbers / statistical analysis?    Anything less is subjective and not persuasive. 

(You could, for example, try to use BayesElo (https://www.remi-coulom.fr/Bayesian-Elo/) to show that the error on expected outcomes varies in a mean-reverting way with a long or regular period.)

(I have not done this, but since many people run this software on the cc database regularly, I bet you $50 it does not, and you're just seeing false patterns in normal outcome variation noise.)

x-1198923638

Also if someone at CC has some algorithm that can analyze players' styles and determine outcomes of matchups ahead of time, it would be stupid to waste time and effort to use it to try and "force you to buy the sub" (how could this even possibly force you to buy a sub? I don't get it?)  when they could just take it to a bookie and make bank on betting tournaments.

Tho this actually sounds like a fun thing to try and do... hmmmmm....  maybe I'll give it a go.  I bet it's impossible at the highest levels of play though, since those guys and gals are already studying each others' styles and games to death to the point that it probably nets out to zero.

monkey-armory

Chapter 5

x-1198923638

If you do see clusters of folks playing the same openings - which is more likely:

a)  your conspiracy theory

b)  they're watching the same youtube videos and/or featured chess site (possibly cc) learning material and trying out what they see

This is a serious question, so think about it and answer....

FoxWithNekoEars

yeah.. yeah.. I don't do any mistakes only the whole unfair world plotted some calculated conspiracy against me... sure..

idilis
Mikosche wrote:

*Snip a rant*  How can anyone defend such manipulative websites?

Jeez, I hate the manipulative moneymaking industry.

Yes but how are they making money off you in particular in your 26 days here?  Defend, attack, play, leave - all up to you.

idilis

We're getting the non destructive testing team in just to confirm

SashaClaude

I think this might be an instance of the Gambler's Fallacy in action.
OP thinks that because they encounter streaks of certain play styles in a certain time frame, the mechanism must not be random. This is the same logic that assumes that because a roulette wheel has landed on Red five times in a row, Black is "due" to come up.

llama36
SashaClaude wrote:

I think this might be an instance of the Gambler's Fallacy in action.
OP thinks that because they encounter streaks of certain play styles in a certain time frame, the mechanism must not be random. This is the same logic that assumes that because a roulette wheel has landed on Red five times in a row, Black is "due" to come up.

I think it's more similar to the clustering illusion. Since the rating formula works so that you stay around 50% wins and losses, your game to game results are essentially a coinflip, and random events can appear non-random to humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

SashaClaude
nMsALpg wrote:

I think it's more similar to the clustering illusion.

Thanks, that's a much better explanation.

CherryMyMuffins

Is this post satire? What do you expect a fair matching system to be like? One where you win all the time or lose all the time?

llama36
CherryMyMuffins wrote:

Is this post satire?

No, a lot of idiots think this. This topic is (unfortunately) relatively common.

CherryMyMuffins
nMsALpg wrote:
CherryMyMuffins wrote:

Is this post satire?

No, a lot of idiots think this. This topic is (unfortunately) relatively common.

 

Oh, that just sounds like some sort of conspiracy theory. The whole system is out trying to get you for some petty reason. 

llama36
CherryMyMuffins wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
CherryMyMuffins wrote:

Is this post satire?

No, a lot of idiots think this. This topic is (unfortunately) relatively common.

 

Oh, that just sounds like some sort of conspiracy theory. The whole system is out trying to get you for some petty reason. 

Yeah, some even go so far as to say most of the accounts aren't human, and chess.com changes their names and ratings and blah blah blah. It's really silly.

binomine

I have thought long about the OP's attitude, and I have a theory. 

Video games are not an intrinsic game.  A level 1 Pikachu is no match for a level 100 Pikachu, and you get the same performance from a that 100 level Pikachu every game.  You get better Pokemon by just playing long enough.

Chess is an intrinsic game.  No matter how long you play, the pieces are always the same. Magnus Carlsen plays with the same exact pieces as a complete newbie on day one.  The only way to get better is that YOU have to get better.  The game is heavily affected by you, and how much you know about the current position. 

People who are accustom to video games and their mechanics get all offended that chess doesn't work the same way, even if it is technically a video game on chess.com.

And of course, a poor craftsman blames his tools, rather than admitting they are just a bad craftsman.