When non-chess players think they can beat you in chess

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josh3

this is stupid. if i played someone like this i would end up punching them in the face

A_Wild_Jigglypuff

Luckily, I've haven't had the displeasure of playing many people who were both inexperienced and rude at the same time. One thing I do before playing someone I know or suspect is inexperienced is clarify en passant and castling BEFORE the game starts. Then, at the very least, we can both agree to simply not play with those two rules.

As for how to deal with someone who is (whether intentionally or not) cheating by moving your pieces around, I don't know what to do. Any countermeasure against that (notation, video taping the game, etc) seems a little excessive for a pickup game...

SpiritoftheVictory

Well, technically speaking a person doesn't have to have a rating or analyze openings deeply to be able play chess and beat a class A player. One can merely observe chess and understand the rules and dynamics of the game, and play a few games too, without taking the game too seriously. Of course, we're talking about an extremely gifted person here. A very slim chance, but possible.

 

This is, by the way, how most great chess players get into chess. They learn the rules and, all of a sudden, start beating their more experienced fellow amateurs at the board. Then they go to a club and beat some stronger players there. Then, they meet masters and see that they have to learn more about the game. Upon doing so, they swiftly cruise by masters to become IMs and GMs. Then, upon further progress, they meet their own kind - true prodigies who compete at the World's highest level.

Jenium
jackfast wrote:

Whenever I mention the fact that I am good at chess, there are always a few people who say they can beat me. I ask them what their rating is and how deep they analyzed their openings... etc. They say they don't have a rating, they don't study openings but they still think they can beat me...

 

 

So, eventually, I play a game of chess with them (if they know how to move the pieces). Then whenever I castle or capture en passant, they say I cheated and that they won because of it. Then they go bragging to everybody they know that they beat me in a game of chess. Whenever I capture one of their good pieces like a queen or checkmate their king. They say that the piece was actually on the other square.

For example, they moved their queen to c3, I go use my knight from b1 to go take it. But then they say that the knight was actually on a1 (When does a knight ever go to a1!?!?!?) and they say that I moved it to b3. Then they take my knight on b3.

 

It's so frustrating to deal with these type of really arrogant and idiotic people. What do you do about it?

That's why I don't play with players in a 'casual environment'. No point in spending an hour for a game with an absolute beginner who hardly knows the rules...

MASS_ATTACKER

They're just pigeons. No matter what the result, they'll defecate on the board and walk around like they won. It is childish behaviour and they will only enjoy themselves if you get mad at them, so it is best to just ignore them.

etc2000chess
jackfast wrote:

Whenever I mention the fact that I am good at chess, there are always a few people who say they can beat me. I ask them what their rating is and how deep they analyzed their openings... etc. They say they don't have a rating, they don't study openings but they still think they can beat me...

 

 

So, eventually, I play a game of chess with them (if they know how to move the pieces). Then whenever I castle or capture en passant, they say I cheated and that they won because of it. Then they go bragging to everybody they know that they beat me in a game of chess. Whenever I capture one of their good pieces like a queen or checkmate their king. They say that the piece was actually on the other square.

For example, they moved their queen to c3, I go use my knight from b1 to go take it. But then they say that the knight was actually on a1 (When does a knight ever go to a1!?!?!?) and they say that I moved it to b3. Then they take my knight on b3.

 

It's so frustrating to deal with these type of really arrogant and idiotic people. What do you do about it?

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shakkipeli

Losing a game of chess against a player who doesn't play chess is a bit paradoxical.

dtownva

I played with a guy who snuck his pieces back on the board. Very annoying!

Drawgood

Well, we have to have compassion toward those who don't understand chess. They just have a belief that they are smart and intelligent at something and that their general intelligence will translate into having skill at chess. You just need to play with them to show them they are wrong.

It also follows that the people who are very good at chess are not necessarily smart or skilled at other intellectual activities.

MASS_ATTACKER

Lol C Class players these days...

deathstroke2611

though it might have happened to you it has never happened to me i play in a casual environment a lot against my non chess playing friends and other classmates and they usually accept defeat and say good game.though what happens to you if ever happened to me i will smack the smile out of there face.

MASS_ATTACKER

I'm not too sure if trolls have pride...

wolverine96

LOL, don't worry about arrogant bragging fools who can't really play chess.

My little brother challenged me to a game once. I won rather quickly. I showed him how my pieces were all working together to checkmate his king. Then I showed him how he could have easily avoided the attack. He was fascinated, and not once did he claim I was cheating. He had class. He was happy to play a game with me, and who knows? He might even beat me someday!

I have challenged you to a correspondence game... Wink

Drawgood

If you want others to start playing chess seriously you have to assume they all start from some kind of zero point. So don't be rude to players who don't take it seriously but talk to them about chess so it's interesting to them. Maybe teach them along gen way.

NativeChessMinerals

If they were making illegal moves I'd say in a respectful, matter-of-fact way, "that's not a legal move." If they insist it was a legal move I'd show them the position a few moves ago, and go over the moves that were just played. Again in a respectful calm way. If they insist you keep playing from the illegal position, you can offer to start the game over or play a different game. If they're trying to cheat they're probably not comfortable playing you in the first place. And if you're calm, respectful, and then give them an out (we can stop playing) I think it would defuse the situation.

If they kept insisting you play after that I'd say something like "I'll play chess with you if you want, but this isn't chess. It's up to you whether we play or not, I honestly don't mind doing something else." And if they want to play in the future offer only to play them online.

NativeChessMinerals

By the way, on topic to the title, I had a family member who barely knew how the pieces move want to play me. He didn't know I played. He thought he had good chances to win.

When I play someone like this, I always match their pace. Playing fast would be intimidating, and I'd rather them become interested in chess and keep playing the game for years.

At the same time though, this is misleading to a beginner. He even apologized after one of his moves "sorry I'm being tricky, I think I confused you." And it wasn't trash talk, he was actually sorry Tongue Out

After 5 or 6 games he realized I was pretty good. Unfortunately he never wanted to play me again :(

IMJustice

The best way to put such players in their rightful place is play the game on a tablet or something. One cannot make illegal moves/sneak pieces back/lie about positions on an electronic board :)

Another solution is to maintain a low profile about your chessing.

brainiac12358

That happened to me today... One of the popular, selfish arrogant kids heard about how I play chess and he was like "I bet I could beat you, I'd just four move mate you." Okay, really

So, the kid having almost never played chess before, and having around the same IQ as a doorknob, I accepted the challenge. Well, remember. This was at school. So he's just like "Oh, I can't play you, there isn't a board or any time or anything... I'd beat you anyway." Oh, how I hate him. Plus he stole my girlfriend

xman720

My friend came over to my house one day and we pulled out the board games. We proceded to play 3 games of settlers of catan and he beat me every time. It wasn't an onslought either, I lost 9 - 10 or 9 - 11 every time. I told him I was so frustrated that I had to play him in chess every time I lost settlers of catan, and I felt better after handily destroying him in three chess games without more than one of my brain cells at a time.

That is what friends are for.

JefChess1

best thing to do is post a comment on a chess forum and seek out advice from other chess playersMoney Mouth