Does the League system affect your pairings?

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PineappleBird
So… I recently had a few drunken obsessive blitz sessions and dropped 200 points… no biggie… thing is now I’m #1 in my league from trying to earn back the rating
Now I noticed the pairings seem to be just harder . I’m still 1750-1800 Blitz on lichess and here on chess.com I’m not gaining back the 200 I lost the pairings at 1300 now seem to be harder than lichess 1800 now I know there’s a gap but it’s never been so big . I literally crush on lichess then move to chess.com get crushed by 1250s.

I noticed the opponents are more tenacious , fast , resourceful and aggressive. Could this be because of my high league spot so I get paired with other obsessive 3+0 specialists which I don’t usually get?

(I’m normally like #30 in the league)

Please share ur knowledge on this
I’m curious
Thanks
PineappleBird
P.S just to clarify
Just a couple of days ago I was playing here on 1500 level and it felt the same as lichess 1800

Now I still switch within a single session and get crushed here by 1250s while still getting similar results on lichess in the same rating range. What’s up
Martin_Stahl
HeroinSheep wrote:
So… I recently had a few drunken obsessive blitz sessions and dropped 200 points… no biggie… thing is now I’m #1 in my league from trying to earn back the rating
Now I noticed the pairings seem to be just harder . I’m still 1750-1800 Blitz on lichess and here on chess.com I’m not gaining back the 200 I lost the pairings at 1300 now seem to be harder than lichess 1800 now I know there’s a gap but it’s never been so big . I literally crush on lichess then move to chess.com get crushed by 1250s.

I noticed the opponents are more tenacious , fast , resourceful and aggressive. Could this be because of my high league spot so I get paired with other obsessive 3+0 specialists which I don’t usually get?

(I’m normally like #30 in the league)

Please share ur knowledge on this
I’m curious
Thanks

 

Leagues have no impact on  pairings. However, players trying to promote in leagues may have a lower rating than their normal rating prior to leagues, mainly due to playing a lot more when tired or tilting.

PineappleBird
I see… but do I get paired with other players “high in the league” and therefore with this tendency to be underrated you describe?

Anyways I’m not trying to promote I’m trying to cut down on the blitz but I guess I get obsessive about gaining back at least 100 after I lose 200 :/ which doesn’t help
alexandreolemos

The same happened to me, got promoted to elite and lost 200 elo. Everyone suddenly got my Caro Kann pet defense too easily in 5s per move response lol

alexandreolemos

As a digital product design myself, I know that triggers that got users obsessed and more engaged usually are not coincidence.

alexandreolemos

designer*

Martin_Stahl
HeroinSheep wrote:
I see… but do I get paired with other players “high in the league” and therefore with this tendency to be underrated you describe?

Anyways I’m not trying to promote I’m trying to cut down on the blitz but I guess I get obsessive about gaining back at least 100 after I lose 200 :/ which doesn’t help

 

No, leagues do not impact pairings at all.

alexandreolemos

I wonder if kids, who are more likely to be triggered by gamification badges happened to start play using engines in order to get promoted. I just don't know. It's just weird to me that all of a sudden 1150s started getting 89-92% of accuracy with plenty of time left, in matches that I still get my average 75-85%.

PineappleBird
Martin_Stahl wrote:
HeroinSheep wrote:
I see… but do I get paired with other players “high in the league” and therefore with this tendency to be underrated you describe?

Anyways I’m not trying to promote I’m trying to cut down on the blitz but I guess I get obsessive about gaining back at least 100 after I lose 200 :/ which doesn’t help

 

No, leagues do not impact pairings at all.

 

Well I may be wrong but I truely believe it does somehow.

Because as soon as I graduated from 1st place to the upper league the pairings got easier and I broke 1500 after getting owned by 1150s a day prior...

 

I know the waves of chess, tilt, all that... This was something more, I'm almost sure...

 

and #10 that wouldn't surprise me either 

fearlessone

Almost all of my opponents i get paired up against are legends or next highest like champion almost always at higher end of the leagues. I think pairings are done toward league but still will match you up agianst highest of the league if one from your own league is not available. This is just my experience with pairings. I almost rarely get anyone in bottom of the leagues anymore almost always the top leagues.

Martin_Stahl
fearlessone wrote:

Almost all of my opponents i get paired up against are legends or next highest like champion almost always at higher end of the leagues. I think pairings are done toward league but still will match you up agianst highest of the league if one from your own league is not available. This is just my experience with pairings. I almost rarely get anyone in bottom of the leagues anymore almost always the top leagues.

As mentioned before, the pairing system does not look at leagues at all.

PineappleBird
Martin_Stahl wrote:
fearlessone wrote:

Almost all of my opponents i get paired up against are legends or next highest like champion almost always at higher end of the leagues. I think pairings are done toward league but still will match you up agianst highest of the league if one from your own league is not available. This is just my experience with pairings. I almost rarely get anyone in bottom of the leagues anymore almost always the top leagues.

As mentioned before, the pairing system does not look at leagues at all.

hah well I'm not concerned with this anymore and I'm trying to lay off Blitz to focus on longer time controls... But I'm almost certain that although officialy what you say is true... there's something fishy.

As @fearlessone mentioned he also looks at his pairings and when he is high in the league he gets more top league pairings..

micahwchess

dude, who posted on this forum without realizing the last comment was over a year ago?

Martin_Stahl
PineappleBird wrote:

...But I'm almost certain that although officialy what you say is true... there's something fishy.

As @fearlessone mentioned he also looks at his pairings and when he is high in the league he gets more top league pairings..

There are over 2.3 million members in the top three leagues and just over 3 million in the bottom ones. It stands to reason close to half of your opponents, if they're participating in leagues, are going to be in the top-3.

If you include crystal, just under 70% of active players are in the top-4 leagues.

SolarSamosaDisaster14

im in crystal league and now im losing some more i think i just suck so much now but what do you guys think

PineappleBird
Martin_Stahl wrote:
PineappleBird wrote:

...But I'm almost certain that although officialy what you say is true... there's something fishy.

As @fearlessone mentioned he also looks at his pairings and when he is high in the league he gets more top league pairings..

There are over 2.3 million members in the top three leagues and just over 3 million in the bottom ones. It stands to reason close to half of your opponents, if they're participating in leagues, are going to be in the top-3.

If you include crystal, just under 70% of active players are in the top-4 leagues.

Yeah but what me and others have seen is that it’s not only that you get paired with people in your league but also with similarly ranked individuals which just doesn’t seem random. I remember when I was writing this post I was constantly facing people who are like #1-4 in their league.. I remember the nature of the opponents reflected that (higher ranked = those who play a lot and continue to play obsessively even on losing streaks, like myself at the time).

the nature of their playing style seems to be in line with their spot in the league, obviously. Very aggressive, preforming over their current rating, fast, tenacious… etc.

I’m not complaining it’s all good just interesting how when I faced some of these opponents I’m like wtf smurf.. I check the profile and he’s #2 in the same league I’m in. Again and again.. Coincidence?

Martin_Stahl

Yes, coincidence

PineappleBird

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LambBones

I would not listen to @Martin_Stahl despite his confident responses. I took his word for it and advanced to the crystal league. I am now routinely paired up against players in the legendary league and it has become noticeably more difficult. It definitely effects your match ups!