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batgirl

I am trying, quite unsuccessfully, to put this game from "La Stratégie" into algebraic notation.  I don't know if it's me not-seeing correctly or if the given score itself is cooked.

It's a strange notation somewhat exclusive to Jean Preti's periodical - at least I've never encounted exactly this form in other French journals or books.

For those unfamiliar with French who may want to try converting the score into algebraic:
D=Queen, C=Knight, R=King, F=Bishop, T=Rook, P=pawn éch=check, mat=mate, pr=captures, blanc=White, noir=Black.


Scottrf

Well, it's a King's Gambit Declined, but too tedious.

Pulpofeira

There isn't a mistake? White plays 3. Nc3 and then 4. c3.

batgirl

Yes, it's a KGD, just 25 moves long.

Scottrf
Pulpofeira wrote:

There isn't a mistake? White plays 3. Nc3 and then 4. c3.

Yeah you're right. I don't know what the mess is for black's 4th either.

pdela

batgirl, I come to save you... It's French!!

batgirl
Pulpofeira wrote:

There isn't a mistake? White plays 3. Nc3 and then 4. c3.

That's what I'm seeing. Plus Black's moves 3 and 5 are identical AND the suggested move for Black on move 4 is the same... making move 3 look like a misprint.

Scottrf

If we replace move 3 with Nf3 Nc6 does it make sense?

batgirl
Scottrf wrote:
Pulpofeira wrote:

There isn't a mistake? White plays 3. Nc3 and then 4. c3.

Yeah you're right. I don't know what the mess is for black's 4th either.

they are giving suggestions.

batgirl
pdela wrote:

batgirl, I come to save you... It's French!!

Well, that explains everything!

batgirl
Scottrf wrote:

If we replace move 3 with Nf3 Nc6 does it make sense?

It makes sense, esp. since Nf3 is a better move, but it's not the only problem.

Pulpofeira

It's just the descriptive notation I learned earlier than algebraic, but I would need a chess set to follow it. I'll take a look when I get at home.

Scottrf

EDIT: GCB seems to have nailed it.

batgirl

Yesterday I published an article on Ignatz Kolisch. Kolisch has been called the greatest odds-give of all time.  The article has nothing to do with his odds-games but I started transcribing some and placing them in the comments section.  This game, however was played sans voir.  It's the first blindfold game by Kolisch I came across and now I can't even figure it out. It's all rather frustrating.

GreenCastleBlock

Here's what I think happened:

batgirl

"3. Nf3 Nc3" 

So you think they reversed Black's and White's moves?

gilam

If I remember correctly, this is the notation:

Columns are name after the piece position at the start of the game

a = TD tour de la dame (Rook queen side)
b = CD
c = FD
d = D
e = R Roi
f = FR
g = CR
h = TR

Rows are number 1 to 8 from both side so the black and white kings are both on 1R

batgirl

GreenCastleBlock,  that looks totally plausible!

Trapper4

It looks like black's 4th move is Bg4, but I could be wrong...

batgirl
gilam wrote:

If I remember correctly, this is the notation:

Columns are name after the piece position at the start of the game

a = TD tour de la dame (Rook queen side)
b = CD
c = FD
d = D
e = R Roi
f = FR
g = CR
h = TR

Rows are number 1 to 8 from both side so the black and white kings are both on 1R

That's exactly how it works.