Grievances with Tactics Trainer

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erik

one of the limiting factors is that sometimes there are "in-between" moves that are "good", but not "best". but they may still be relevant and are intermediary threats that keep the original tactic in-tact and present, but are not directly related. i'm not sure if that makes sense to anyone but me :) but it's a real issue in generating tactics (which is done in an automated fashion from hundreds of thousands of chess.com games).

bondiggity

I believe that if you think you are not learning anything from tactic trainer, that is because you don't take the time to review why you got each problem wrong and just move on and hope to remember it next time. 

 

At that note, user additions to the analysis and source would be nice because sometimes stuff doesn't come up in the top 3 choices, so I go and analyze it with a chess engine. If I could then paste that into the analysis and source so that other people may have made the same mistake could see why that was wrong too.

Nytik
erik wrote:

i'm not sure if that makes sense to anyone but me :) but it's a real issue in generating tactics (which is done in an automated fashion from hundreds of thousands of chess.com games).


 So does that mean that while I am doing some puzzles I might come across one of my own masterpieces?

...

Now imagine someone who plays masterpieces in their games said that, and answer the question. Wink

(If the puzzle came from one of my games it would give me an unfair advantage, would it not? Wink)

WacoChessClub
Kupov wrote:
The time limit: The time limit in TT often forces you to make your move in under 30 seconds, this leaves you with minimal time for actually analyzing the board and the continuation of your move...I find the time limit to be totally unnecessary.

Go to any rated OTB tournament and what will you see at any board?  Clocks!  It is essential to be able to identify whether a tactic exists OR DOES NOT EXIST, else you will waste VALUABLE time analyzing a position to find out a tactic does not exist.

The tactics themselves: Too many forced mates following a similar pattern. There are not enough real game tactics. I would like to see more puzzles where the end result is the gain of a pawn, or something similar.

I have seen plenty of real game tactics, many of which are from the classics.  You will not be able to envision positions where tactics are available OTB if you do not have the ability to recognize those positions.

Inconsistent problems: The problems in tactics trainer are usually based on a combination to either win material, or to checkmate your opponent.

It is a tactics trainer after, what did you expect?

However sometimes there is a problem where no combination is necessary (you even see them above 2000), you generally have about 15-30 seconds to complete these problems. ..Since you don't have time to analyze the board you might simply throw a piece at a  tactical theme (potential fork, check, etc) and of course you get the problem wrong.

There is no such thing as a glowing screen, banner, or announcement that a fork, check, mate, or anything else i available when you play OTB chess. There is also no announcement that you left your own piece hanging.  As stated before, board vision is essential to chess.

Multiple solutions to a problem: Sometimes it happens in tactics trainer that after making your correct move there appear to be two valid continuations. Do I fork the queen or king, or do I go for a maybe forced mate down the line?

While I do hold sympathy for you here, there is a famous quote that I like to think of, "If you find a good move, look for a better one."

Endgame problems:  Some endgame problems are great, but ones which rely on systems that have to have been learned earlier are not so great.

How is clearance and interference not a tactic?

TheGrobe
Nytik wrote:
erik wrote:

i'm not sure if that makes sense to anyone but me :) but it's a real issue in generating tactics (which is done in an automated fashion from hundreds of thousands of chess.com games).


 So does that mean that while I am doing some puzzles I might come across one of my own masterpieces?

...

Now imagine someone who plays masterpieces in their games said that, and answer the question.

(If the puzzle came from one of my games it would give me an unfair advantage, would it not? )


It would be very cool if they were attributed.

KingAlex24

your grievances with tactics trainer are a result of your lack of tactical ability which needs work. i dont mean to insult you as my own tactical ability needs work as does 99% of the people who play chess.

KillaBeez

I have noticed it applies to my own play.  What are you going to do when you have 30 seconds on your clock in an OTB game.  Are you going to whine about not having enough time to look at the board?  Tactics trainer is teaching you to look for simple tactics (and more complex problems) in a short period of time.  If you do this, you will have time to concentrate on other lines.  Do the unrated problems.  You can take as much time as you want and you can concentrate on getting the pattern engrained in your memory.  Don't gripe about it.  If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.  But please do not complain when almost everybody thinks Tactics Trainer is beneficial.

Kupov
KingAlex24 wrote:

your grievances with tactics trainer are a result of your lack of tactical ability which needs work. i dont mean to insult you as my own tactical ability needs work as does 99% of the people who play chess.


My tactics trainer rating is above 2000. What's yours?

Kupov
KillaBeez wrote:

I have noticed it applies to my own play.  What are you going to do when you have 30 seconds on your clock in an OTB game.  Are you going to whine about not having enough time to look at the board?  Tactics trainer is teaching you to look for simple tactics (and more complex problems) in a short period of time.  If you do this, you will have time to concentrate on other lines.  Do the unrated problems.  You can take as much time as you want and you can concentrate on getting the pattern engrained in your memory.  Don't gripe about it.  If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.  But please do not complain when almost everybody thinks Tactics Trainer is beneficial.


1. You are going to lose since the chances of finding some sort of tactic and then winning the game in thirty seconds is fairly low.

2. I do like tactics trainer, my complaint is that I don't think it teaches real tactics as well as it could.

pawngenius

It's hard to cheat TT.  So this is a good gauge of a person's tactical skills and general chess ability.  Much better than turn-based games where players cheat a lot.

KingAlex24
Kupov wrote:
KingAlex24 wrote:

your grievances with tactics trainer are a result of your lack of tactical ability which needs work. i dont mean to insult you as my own tactical ability needs work as does 99% of the people who play chess.


My tactics trainer rating is above 2000. What's yours?


like i said, i did not mean it to insult you as i can use plenty of work myself. my tactics trainer rating is 2339

KillaBeez

If you have 5 second delay or increment, it is quite likely you could win a game if you see ideas quick enough.

macer75

A minor complaint about tactics trainer:

This is a quote from my tactics trainer page:

"49/93 Correct (50% accuracy) over 46 Minutes"

Now, if you asked some random person on the street to estimate the value of 49/93 as a percentage, 50% would be an acceptable answer. But on a chess site? That's just embarrassing!      

TheGrobe

Not bad, though, when you consider that it's the only issue raised in the past four years.