MASTER LEADERBOARD December 2012

Which teams are most succesfull and getting most points on the Team Match Leaderboard and the Vote Chess Leaderboard? The Master Leaderboard is a mix of and build on these. It actually shows which teams that are the masters in the long run - so far.

Top-20 as of 2012-12-02:

The complete figures and comments for the top-300 are here: http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/master-leaderboard-december-20122

And here about how the scores are calculated:
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/calculations-for-master-leaderboard

BR  Johan P

Johan....With all due respect, your team is at 45% winning percentage and played more than 1500 more games than We Chat Global. You need to tell the whole story and not fuzzy math. Respectfully, Monroe721

It's only the points on the underlying leaderboards that are counted and made upp this Master Leaderboard. Just as you said, it currently doesn't tracking any winning ratios. However, it would be pretty easy do that as well. So, in next Master Leaderboard will I also show the winning ratio for each team, and then a top-list of the most winning teams besides the main list.

Another figures of interest is points/game, which gives an favour to larger teams that playing few games but winning these. I actually believe that even better shows the capability and powerness of a team than the winning ratio. Will probably show that as well in next Master Leaderboard.

League system is a must for fair Team Leaderboard.

Different teams have different profiles and targets.
It would not be possible put them all together in a common league system, since many of them do not playing against each other.
Some examples on this: Team Europe do not playing against other European regional or country teams, Chess Society normally not playing against other associated teams of that group, Team Scandinavia do not playing against various Scandinavian regional or country teams, and some teams mainly playing smaller games while other teams playing larger games, etc etc.

By this mentioning that various League for different kind of teams make sense for some teams, but a common league for all would not make sense for so many.

Master Leaderboard is mainly of interest for teams that intend to improving their positions both on Team Match Leaderboard and Vote Chess Leaderboard. It also gives an indication of your opponents positions and relative powerness, which could be good to be aware of when planning who you should play against etc.

These lists are good for no more than activity monitors, on the same level as member points.

Maybe it's time that chess.com looks at something more sensible.

What could that be?

ELO-ratings (and similar) doesn't seem more sensible since it doesn't care about number of games finished nor about game sizes and may neither participating players ratings.

So to find out, could be a challenge...

Well, there must be ways. Lots of clever people here, surely somebody could come up with an idea.

But being on top of a list that monitors how many matches were played, only means you played more matches, nothing else.

I think it must be totally posible now, at least for vote chess, to introduce ratings. Few years ag the argument was not enough games available, surely that has changed by now.

There're good attempts ongoing for ELO-ratings for Vote Chess:
http://www.chess.com/groups/home/vote-chess-elo-rankings

There has been created similar rankings for Team Matches earlier as well, but I've not seen anything recent published.

From next version of the Master Leaderboard will I add the winning ratio for each team, and publish a top-20 list for the teams with the best winning ratios.

But neither the winning ratio itself gives a complete picture of powerness or capability since you can improving your winng ratio by playing more frequently against less good teams than better ones.

Another figure that I also believe is relevant is "points/game", and I may add that as well and a list of the top-20 that receive most points/game.