Schooled Another High Ranked Player

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kleelof
JFunkPhillyFinest wrote:
kleelof wrote:

You should not be so quick to pat yourself on the back.

If you look, his average opponent rating is about 300 points less than his own. Yours is about 50. So, basically, he is used to playing people weaker than yourself.

This type of player is what I call The Stalker. They set their desired opponents ratings from -300 to +5 or something so they get lower rated players. This guy, for example, has played 6,000+ games and is still stuck at 1600.

When determining the real strength of your opponent, look at these numbers too. If your opponent's avg. opponent rating is within 100 points or so of their own, then you can be sure there is a good chance their rating is solid.

Personally I set my range from -50 to +500. I get lots of these guys. I played one the other day who had a 1900+ rating and his avg. opponent was less than 1400.

It doesn't matter. He still got to nearly 1700... and you have to beat a lot of good players at some point to get to that rating.

It's funny how you're trying so hard to take discredit my victory

That's not true. If you play 100 opponents with ratings 300 points less than yours, and you get 2 points for each game, you get 200 points. If you play 50 opponents 150 ponts less than yours, and you get 4 points for each game, you get 200 points.

This is the theory behind their approach. They play weaker players so they win more games, thereby, boosting their ratings.

If I played against opponents 300 points below my rating, I would eventually get to 1700. It would take a while, but I would get there and, probably, beyond.

But, and I'm sure most can agree, it is a weakass way of playing chess and, of course, does nothing to really improve your chess skills.

From the game you gave, and the numbers I mentioned, you are obviously the better player. Your rating is not higher probably because you choose to to play stronger players regularly. ANd this is truly what makes someone a star chess player.

And, again, I aplogize. I was not trying to discredit your victory. No matter the strength of your opponent, you deserve fair credit for winning. I was just taking issue with bragging so much about beating someone who is obviously equal to or weaker than yourself.

JFunkPhillyFinest
kleelof wrote:
JFunkPhillyFinest wrote:
kleelof wrote:

You should not be so quick to pat yourself on the back.

If you look, his average opponent rating is about 300 points less than his own. Yours is about 50. So, basically, he is used to playing people weaker than yourself.

This type of player is what I call The Stalker. They set their desired opponents ratings from -300 to +5 or something so they get lower rated players. This guy, for example, has played 6,000+ games and is still stuck at 1600.

When determining the real strength of your opponent, look at these numbers too. If your opponent's avg. opponent rating is within 100 points or so of their own, then you can be sure there is a good chance their rating is solid.

Personally I set my range from -50 to +500. I get lots of these guys. I played one the other day who had a 1900+ rating and his avg. opponent was less than 1400.

It doesn't matter. He still got to nearly 1700... and you have to beat a lot of good players at some point to get to that rating.

It's funny how you're trying so hard to take discredit my victory

That's not true. If you play 100 opponents with ratings 300 points less than yours, and you get 2 points for each game, you get 200 points. If you play 50 opponents 150 ponts less than yours, and you get 4 points for each game, you get 200 points.

This is the theory behind their approach. They play weaker players so they win more games, thereby, boosting their ratings.

If I played against opponents 300 points below my rating, I would eventually get to 1700. It would take a while, but I would get there and, probably, beyond.

But, and I'm sure most can agree, it is a weakass way of playing chess and, of course, does nothing to really improve your chess skills.

From the game you gave, and the numbers I mentioned, you are obviously the better player. Your rating is not higher probably because you choose to to play stronger players regularly. ANd this is truly what makes someone a star chess player.

And, again, I aplogize. I was not trying to discredit your victory. No matter the strength of your opponent, you deserve fair credit for winning. I was just taking issue with bragging so much about beating someone who is obviously equal to or weaker than yourself.

Ok I understand and apology accepted but for those of u who dont know... and my fans know.... I have beaten quite a few (5+) 1700 ranked players who avg opp is 1500-1600

 

This isn't the first 1600-1700 ranked player i've beaten

kleelof

When I was in grade school I was a bully.

I bullied boys who were generally weaker and smaller than me. Because of this, other students left me alone because they thought I was a badass.

Then, one day I picked a fight with this kid who was just as small and weak looking as the other kids. I was several inches taller and outweighed him by at least 20 pounds. He kicked my ass.

It turned out he came from a school full of badasses and had been in many fights with kids who were as tough or tougher than himself.

Now, I ask you. Did he kick the ass of someone who was truly a better fighter? Of course not. He beat me because I chose to pick on smaller kids which gave the impression that I was tougher than I really was and could not beat someone who really knows how to fight.

Thanks to that lesson, I stopped being a bully.

You cannot just look at the ratings in an environment like chess.com and say, "oh, he has a 1900 rating, he must be good." There are many non-legit ways to get a rating like that. The most acceptable of which is always playing weaker players.

But I understand. People are often impressed by numbers with no regards to how they were achieved.

LegoPirate
bongcloudftw wrote:

hoping this guy isn't salung tawei reincarnate. 

No, I think Saluang is the reincarnation of him.

bhoopalan
kleelof wrote:
JFunkPhillyFinest wrote:
kleelof wrote:

You should not be so quick to pat yourself on the back.

If you look, his average opponent rating is about 300 points less than his own. Yours is about 50. So, basically, he is used to playing people weaker than yourself.

This type of player is what I call The Stalker. They set their desired opponents ratings from -300 to +5 or something so they get lower rated players. This guy, for example, has played 6,000+ games and is still stuck at 1600.

When determining the real strength of your opponent, look at these numbers too. If your opponent's avg. opponent rating is within 100 points or so of their own, then you can be sure there is a good chance their rating is solid.

Personally I set my range from -50 to +500. I get lots of these guys. I played one the other day who had a 1900+ rating and his avg. opponent was less than 1400.

It doesn't matter. He still got to nearly 1700... and you have to beat a lot of good players at some point to get to that rating.

It's funny how you're trying so hard to take discredit my victory

That's not true. If you play 100 opponents with ratings 300 points less than yours, and you get 2 points for each game, you get 200 points. If you play 50 opponents 150 ponts less than yours, and you get 4 points for each game, you get 200 points.

This is the theory behind their approach. They play weaker players so they win more games, thereby, boosting their ratings.

If I played against opponents 300 points below my rating, I would eventually get to 1700. It would take a while, but I would get there and, probably, beyond.

But, and I'm sure most can agree, it is a weakass way of playing chess and, of course, does nothing to really improve your chess skills.

From the game you gave, and the numbers I mentioned, you are obviously the better player. Your rating is not higher probably because you choose to to play stronger players regularly. ANd this is truly what makes someone a star chess player.

And, again, I aplogize. I was not trying to discredit your victory. No matter the strength of your opponent, you deserve fair credit for winning. I was just taking issue with bragging so much about beating someone who is obviously equal to or weaker than yourself.

What he says is so true. Your rating might be lower but you seem to be a better player than him. It's absolutely useless to play weaker player to boost ratings. Congrats on your victory! Should have given you 15+ rating?

bhoopalan
1RedKnight99 wrote:

You missed a quick mate Qb4 on move 73. Just wanted to point that out

Good catch ;)

BryPin

Big_Bad_Mutha: I can't play with all that talking...I need it quiet.

Silence, I'll kil-u :0....I can't focus like that.

avi97

not sure if your talking to me but i always play people higher than me. Yes, for a 16 year old, my rating is not that great but i only play people lower than my rating when either i know the person or the chess game is on mobile

avi97

in my case, lets say i played 1500's all the time when i was 1400. Then one day, i started winning a lot of games against higher players and became 1700, does that mean im playing weaker players? if your statistics accounted for this possibility, clearly im the better player. Im not discouraging jfunk but im just realistically saying its not that hard to beat a 1700. Anyhow, its nice to win against someone 400 points higher so good games and im not hating :9

Tin-Cup
kleelof wrote:

When I was in grade school I was a bully.

I bullied boys who were generally weaker and smaller than me. Because of this, other students left me alone because they thought I was a badass.

Then, one day I picked a fight with this kid who was just as small and weak looking as the other kids. I was several inches taller and outweighed him by at least 20 pounds. He kicked my ass.

It turned out he came from a school full of badasses and had been in many fights with kids who were as tough or tougher than himself.

Now, I ask you. Did he kick the ass of someone who was truly a better fighter? Of course not. He beat me because I chose to pick on smaller kids which gave the impression that I was tougher than I really was and could not beat someone who really knows how to fight.

Thanks to that lesson, I stopped being a bully.

You cannot just look at the ratings in an environment like chess.com and say, "oh, he has a 1900 rating, he must be good." There are many non-legit ways to get a rating like that. The most acceptable of which is always playing weaker players.

But I understand. People are often impressed by numbers with no regards to how they were achieved.

+1... Nice story and good analogy.

hotrod5150

Nice win.  Why all the negative comments?  Instead of being negative a-holes about this, maybe point out some mistakes and improvements he could make.  Encourage people to improve instead of just talking crap about them.  This place should be more community oriented. 

avi97

are you guys referring to me?

hotrod5150
bongcloudftw wrote:

hotrod5150 wrote:

Nice win.  Why all the negative comments?  Instead of being negative a-holes about this, maybe point out some mistakes and improvements he could make.  Encourage people to improve instead of just talking crap about them.  This place should be more community oriented. 

I would if he wasn't being super arrogant, and lying about his chess fans

Yes, he's being a little arrogant.  So challenge him to a game and show him his arrogance is not justified.  It's just that since I joined not too long ago, it seems like people just wanna tear other people down instead of trying to help.  It's pointless.

avi97

yes why is he so arrogant

JFunkPhillyFinest
titust wrote:
JFunkPhillyFinest wrote:
JGambit wrote:

It appears that your best win was agaisnt a 1400 something, a far cry from 1685.

No my best win was against a 1700 ranked player...  live games only record rated games.

Check out my youtube channel jaylovechess. I beat quite a few 1600-1700 ranked players

Seriously. Your highest win is 1400 something. Highest wins stay on there forever. Nice try. Do not put fake games on.

My highest win was not 1400

The high ranked players I beat didn't play rated games with me which is why those victories weren't recorded

JFunkPhillyFinest
titust wrote:
JGambit wrote:

It appears that your best win was agaisnt a 1400 something, a far cry from 1685.

It is true, but anyways nice game

U want to believe its true but it isn't

UkraineChess1941

Good game.  You must have blood of Ukraine to play good like you. 

Prost!

--Oleh

JFunkPhillyFinest
UkraineChess1941 wrote:

Good game.  You must have blood of Ukraine to play good like you. 

Prost!

--Oleh

No my friend who watches my games is Russian so his "Russian Genes" Have rubbed off on me. I've gotten much better watching his games and am now beating dudes ranked 1400-1700

hotrod5150

To the original poster, a topic like this would get a much more positive response if it was something like this:

I played a decent game against higher ranked player.  I know I made some mistakes but feel like overall I was the stronger player, and I did pull out a win.  Please look at my game and point out any suggestions of alternate moves.

BryPin

@ hotrod5150 I first joined chess.com because people (in tactic trainer) would brag about an easy a move was to solve but the next tactic, the same person, would say how they messed up and good job to the person who did well. Some people can't enjoy others success for some reason while others use it to motivate themself. Enjoy the good people on this site and ignore the simple minded. You can learn the art of war by both victory and loss...