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Been playing for 30 years, dating back to YahooChess days and in the past few weeks, I noticed a big change on chess.com rating system! What my rating has been for 30 years is now 200 less. I’m sure everyone has noticed that and playing players who you thought were so much easier just a few ago, are now so much harder to beat. The question is why chess.com is changing its algorithm and what can they gain from this...
justbefair
calculus9 wrote:
Been playing for 30 years, dating back to YahooChess days and in the past few weeks, I noticed a big change on chess.com rating system! What my rating has been for 30 years is now 200 less. I’m sure everyone has noticed that and playing players who you thought were so much easier just a few ago, are now so much harder to beat. The question is why chess.com is changing its algorithm and what can they gain from this...

There hasn't been any change in the rating system.

You threw your rating out of whack deliberately recently with two intentional losing streaks that took your rating down to 700.

In a previous post, you said that you did that deliberately.

 

 
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I lost on purpose because I was upset at myself myself for losing a few in a row. So, I lost on purpose and went down from 1550 to 700. Now, that I wanna come back up, I keep losing and my new rating seems to be 1300, instead of what I have always been and that is 1500. Can someone shed light on this?
 

It looks to me like your rating is still recovering. I would give yourself another couple of months to return closer to 1500.

/ You have no "true rating".

Your ratings differ from site to site because your rating isn't a measure of anything absolute, like the temperature that water boils at sea level.

Instead, it just gives an estimate of your chances relative to other players on a particular site who play in a defined range of time controls. It doesn't look at your games to judge your play. It doesn't measure whether or not you know anything in particular about chess. It's only a statistical measure based on your wins, losses and draws.

 

wolverine_i_am

Same. I dropped 200 elo suddenly on this site, while my rating is steadily improving on other sites.

Martin_Stahl
wolverine_i_am wrote:

Same. I dropped 200 elo suddenly on this site, while my rating is steadily improving on other sites.

 

Your rapid is down less than 100 over the last 90 days. I know when I started playing more for leagues, my rating dropped and it was mostly from playing longer than I should, even when tired or in a tilt.

Karlabos

I feel like the level of the site players increased on the lower ratings (a high rated player wouldn't know about that), I suspect it's because there was a sudden boom on the game and now there are more people playing. And with that, the level of the average player on a certain rating is bound to get higher

I can tell because I used to be 1370 blitz at my best (feb 2021) and now i'm at low 1300s, yet I know I'm faar stronger than what I was back then, since I never stopped playing and learned a lot.

wolverine_i_am
Martin_Stahl wrote:
wolverine_i_am wrote:

Same. I dropped 200 elo suddenly on this site, while my rating is steadily improving on other sites.

 

Your rapid is down less than 100 over the last 90 days. I know when I started playing more for leagues, my rating dropped and it was mostly from playing longer than I should, even when tired or in a tilt.

Actually it has nothing to do with that. I play equally on lichess and my rating is constantly going up, so I know I'm improving. I used to be 1500 rapid on chess.com just two months ago (look at my peak rating), yet somehow lately I've fallen below 1300. The standards have definitely changed. 1300s and 1400s used to feel too easy for me, but nowadays I struggle with them. I am definitely better today though, compared to when I hit 1500 two months ago, so it says a lot.

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I think something is going on with chess.com and they do not like to tell us! I’m sure it has something to do with money and more profits. But some of the chess.com personnel hinted at the fact that something has changed and people’s rating are dropping. I have been playing chess since 1990 and I have been playing online since 1996 with yahoo chess. My rating has hovered around 1500 to 1600 for 32 years. My rating on this site was also 1500-1600 until end of December. All of that changed on this site, starting January 1st! I don’t know if I will stick around or just use Lichess.
Martin_Stahl
wolverine_i_am wrote:

Actually it has nothing to do with that. I play equally on lichess and my rating is constantly going up, so I know I'm improving. I used to be 1500 rapid on chess.com just two months ago (look at my peak rating), yet somehow lately I've fallen below 1300. The standards have definitely changed. 1300s and 1400s used to feel too easy for me, but nowadays I struggle with them. I am definitely better today though, compared to when I hit 1500 two months ago, so it says a lot.

 

Yes, you had peaked in the 1500, but a peak rating doesn't necessarily mean that you're at that level and can be influenced by a numbers of other factors. 

 

One thing is that lots of members started playing more during the League contest and many saw a drop of 100-200 points from that, even though their actual strength hasn't changed. So, that can put some downward pressure on ratings as well.  So, some 1300-1400s may have been 1500-1600 in December.

 

I didn't play a lot of rapid during that time but was able to maintain my rating during the time. My blitz suffered the most.

 

Now that the main contest is over and many players are likely going back to more normal playing amounts, ratings may creep back up some. 

UmarBadeko

The league is what actually caused it because people don't care about their rating when you play a 1500 you see that mostly their peak is btw 1700 to 1900 .

Wits-end

Your leechess rating means nothing as it isn’t comparable to another  website. It only tells you what you are against a different pool of players. I’m in the 1500’s on the other site and barely hanging on to 1200 here. My rating here hasn’t taken the same nose dive as mentioned previously. One is certain the pool i play against on leechess is much weaker than here, and i get an unusual number of draw requests over there as soon as one is losing. 

wolverine_i_am
Wits-end wrote:

Your leechess rating means nothing as it isn’t comparable to another  website. It only tells you what you are against a different pool of players. I’m in the 1500’s on the other site and barely hanging on to 1200 here. My rating here hasn’t taken the same nose dive as mentioned previously. One is certain the pool i play against on leechess is much weaker than here, and i get an unusual number of draw requests over there as soon as one is losing. 

That makes no sense. If my rating on lichess went up 100 points, it does indicate I'm improving. I went from 1700 to 1800. Even if on chess.com it's a different pool of players here, however improving on another site shows progress in my skills. But like I said, I regularly play and know I improved in general. Yet I dropped over 200 points on here. From 1500 to 1300. Like other people said, it must be because of the league thing. Maybe you didn't notice it cause you're 1200 and it might affect a different rating range of players. But the topic starter here noticed it too and he was also 1500 like myself.

Wits-end
wolverine_i_am wrote:
Wits-end wrote:

Your leechess rating means nothing as it isn’t comparable to another  website. It only tells you what you are against a different pool of players. I’m in the 1500’s on the other site and barely hanging on to 1200 here. My rating here hasn’t taken the same nose dive as mentioned previously. One is certain the pool i play against on leechess is much weaker than here, and i get an unusual number of draw requests over there as soon as one is losing. 

That makes no sense. If my rating on lichess went up 100 points, it does indicate I'm improving. I went from 1700 to 1800. Even if on chess.com it's a different pool of players here, however improving on another site shows progress in my skills. But like I said, I regularly play and know I improved in general. Yet I dropped over 200 points on here. From 1500 to 1300. Like other people said, it must be because of the league thing. Maybe you didn't notice it cause you're 1200 and it might affect a different rating range of players. But the topic starter here noticed it too and he was also 1500 like myself.

Well, the good thing is the improvement! Seems unlikely it would only effect those in the CC range of 1500 though. My point is that if there is a different set of players, there will be a different set of influences on the respective ratings. 

KawaiiBlackBear

Well this website is BS lost a game to abaondment yet I was online thinking for a mintue and then what I LOST!? WTF

Hartwig_USMC

I've been 1350-1480ish for years then dropped 100-300 on everything except puzzles which went up 600+. So I'm in the same boat wondering whether I got significantly worse somehow, everyone else got better, or the algorithm changed somehow

ChessDude009

Here's the thing - how does Chess.com bring down everyone's rating? The playerbase would be the same, so the total rating in the chess rating pool would never change: (When you lose a game, someone else wins). The only method to bring down everyone's rating would be to introduce a sudden influx of botted accounts that were much stronger than their rating revealed, and I think something like this would have been found out by now.

darlihysa

Its not chess.com fault. Ot is the same gang "the coronary throne". They play to the last attacking resource until you are doomed

AbyssalSludge

Don't bump old threads.

Metuka2004

Elo measures performance in *whatever it is you are doing* It has nothing to do with chess skill. There are FOOTBALL teams with Elo raings! It can only be assumed the people are being rated at the same game. So sometimes it gets screwed up when bullet players crash Rapids to inflate thier *30 minute rating* and have never offered that much clock time to a chess game in thier life hahaha. Elo gets made inaccurate in ways like that. But i don't see the server changed anything. The formula is fine.

Metuka2004
ChessDude009 wrote:

Here's the thing - how does Chess.com bring down everyone's rating? The playerbase would be the same, so the total rating in the chess rating pool would never change: (When you lose a game, someone else wins). The only method to bring down everyone's rating would be to introduce a sudden influx of botted accounts that were much stronger than their rating revealed, and I think something like this would have been found out by now.

This is true and it points out how so many members complain about ratings and don't even know how they work. It is cyclical. It is a balance. It is a number that is just as relative to a whole pool as a percentage is to 1.000 it just also figure for strength of opponent. Funniest thing is how the complainers sometimes talk with words like *rob me of my points* Like they never get them back LOL. Its not a quantity. The server should post a big thread to explain what a K factor is haha. And how that many games from now your ratings gonna be exactly what it woulda been if the game you complained about never happend. 🤪

ColonelSanderz

I deleted and started a new account and won 4 of 5 games and the website placed me at 700 instead of 1000!? What is going on?