Thank you. Fair banning rules

This thread is hopefully about friendship, forgiveness, TLC, humanity, kindness and all the other great chracteristics of our chess.com community. In essence we are all people, mixed bags, bold and beautiful, chess genius or not so..

I was upset because we lost some friends because they had used an engine and were banned. People like joey, john musacha, bowerick and others... All people like the rest of us that we had come to know in good times and more difficult ones.

So i discussed with the site and they presented me two rules :

1) the use of engines is forbidden, no excuses, BUT nobody will be banned without a fair warning. This gives them time to reconsider their behavior and change their silly habits.

2) anybody that is banned for use of engines, can come back on the site, with a new username and start a new chess.com life, ON THE CONDITION that they not cheat again.

I find these rules fair and respectful for both our friends as our game. It is clear that the warning is not given for unacceptable gross misconduct like posting porn etc..

So i say to chess.com : thank you for being both tough and considerate.

Bronsteinitz

wow - that is very nice step from chess.com! Maybe that it will be even benefitial since cheaters would likely return to site anyway - only now they have motivation to start over...

It could be very educational...

I can sign under this!

Well I must say that the idea is a positive one however the question is can a Leopard change it's spots ? Or more to the point, can a Cleptomaniac be cured ? The Cleptomaniac analogy makes sense in relation to people stealing points from fellow players ( by using a Chess Engine ). I would suggest that Chess.com watch these returnees very very carefully ( as in people being on probation ).  

Do you mean the rules have changed?

Dear Math0t, these rules were discussed as in place. Whether they are new or not is to me immaterial. They contradict what is said in the grapevine, on not getting warnings, being banned suddenly, and not allowing anybody that used an engine to return. Whether new or not i am happy that this is the position taken today.

Hm.... I'd have thought it ideal simply to ban cheaters, the first time they cheat, forever! Cheating undermines the very practice of Chess play! It's just about the most egregious sin you can commit. Execute them! I mean ban them, is what I mean!

But with the rules as they are, I can make sense out of it so long as their new accounts are put under special scrutiny for some longish period of time.

Kris, death sentence is not everywhere in the world seen as a great practise.

It doesn't matter, there is nothing to stop banned users from registering again under a new name.

What I mean by "the rules have changed?" is what you say seems to contradict the current policy. I might very well be wrong on this, but my impression was that the cheat bans were applied without warning and are an unconditional  lifetime sentence.

The rules as you present them here seem very reasonable to me.

I was under the same impression but management assured me these are the rules. They seem very reasonable to me also.

Very sensible rules, I would say.

Er... to be clear... I am against the death penalty for any crime, much less for the "crime" of cheating at Chess. (Did you guys seriously think I was actually advocating for execution?!)

I was just hyperbolically stating my preference that cheaters be perma-banned.

I think those rules sound fair enough.

I find the use of data bases and chess explorer which is acceptable on here to be unfair. Whats the difference between these and an engine? Your still getting advice on the best move.

If you look on chess list of caught cheaters, you will see a bunch of people who came back. They will still cheat

Well one thing for sure is that if they come back with new names that Chess.com is aware of then the wrongdoers will be easier to monitor the second time around.

Of course they give warnings and have for a long time. I've seen people post them in the Cheating Forum. They issue the first warning automatically when a player's rating reaches a certain level. The second warning is more specific and tells a player that he/she has a playing style that is suspicious and that they are being monitored.

As for letting banned cheats back, the staff has stated quite a few times in the Cheating Forum that they do not do that with the exception of some very rare cases. So this seems to contradict those statements.

Well corri, erik confirmed it.

I'd rather look at porn than have to play a cheater. 

I am assuming they are restricting the users Ip address to keep them from just coming in over and over?

Vengence, no they said you were doing this for them.