Why is my win % as white much more then black

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Moonwarrior_1

^^

Most games that I play aren’t really lost in the opening so... just luck or is my black openings just that bad lol.

Wildekaart

White still has a first-move advantage. Although it's a very debatable topic, one thing that is pretty commonly agreed on is that the first-move advantage allows White to steer the game more than Black can. I think that in itself is a reason for a higher win percentage.

A difference of four percentage points is pretty standard.

Moonwarrior_1
Wildekaart wrote:

White still has a first-move advantage. Although it's a very debatable topic, one thing that is pretty commonly agreed on is that the first-move advantage allows White to steer the game more than Black can. I think that in itself is a reason for a higher win percentage.

A difference of four percentage points is pretty standard.

Ah ok thanks, (it has been getting further and further part though...) 

1d31-O

Because you are racist 

Vincidroid
Moonwarrior_1 wrote:

^^

Most games that I play aren’t really lost in the opening so... just luck or is my black openings just that bad lol.

 It's probably just pure random chance. You have played more games as white, so your percentage is bound to be lower just because of that.

Moonwarrior_1
1d31-O wrote:

Because you are racist 

Ah 

llama47

It's only a few percent difference right?

llama47

Over last ~170 games I scored 49% with white and 65% as black... that's literally a 100 rating point difference. I guess I'll have to make some changes with white.

Moonwarrior_1
llama47 wrote:

It's only a few percent difference right?

Yeah nothing huge but it keeps widening

Moonwarrior_1
MelvinGarvey wrote:

It's usually so understood, that, when a player has better results as Black than as White, it then means:

1°) The player is a "counter" player, à la Petrossian, letting their opponent weaken their defenses by attacking, and counter attacking on these weaknesses.

2°) The player is not very good at using and exploiting the initiative. Or often will underestimate the value of it.

For me, I faced for years a similar issue, tha the one OP is facing: super good results with White and very poor results with Black.

Which tend to prove, initiative is a weapon one should better not let me use too much, and I was maybe a bit paralyzed (as Black) seeing all the attacking possibilities White has due to their initial initiative.

For some reason, it's a challenge we all face, to correct the flawish side of a thing in chess, and not lesser the bright side of it at the same time. You bet GMs just can do that... Which, jokingly speaking, could be counted as a sort of schizophrenia.

2°)

Ah that makes sense

adithJ

same here sad.png 

roving-river

In most cases, the white player’s win rate will be higher than the black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess

llama47

I have chessbase so it's easy for me to check stuff like this... I looked at 10 minute games.

@moonwarrior_1 you're scoring really badly from this position as black

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A few things I noticed.

You capture on d5 without thinking, even when you could win a pawn with Nxe4

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You also capture on d5 when it's a positional mistake as in the next two games below, so first let's talk a little bit about the structure I see you going for over and over.

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White's easy-mode scenario is if he can just focus on adding a lot of influence to d5 and d6. On d5 to keep your pawn backwards, and on d6 to win the pawn or at least tie defenders to it.

Your goal is to make some counterplay by pushing the queenside pawns, and sometimes breaking with f5 or the d5 pawn break if possible.

Ok, so with that in mind let's talk about your Bxd5 habit some more... 99% of the time that's only good when white has to recapture with a pawn. Otherwise you're just helping white keep your d6 pawn backwards on an open file (and plus your light squares become a lot weaker).

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And the last tip, I noticed you're rushing to trade off your light square bishop in other cases too.

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I don't know how much that will help you, maybe you should change how you face the sicilian completely, or if you really do enjoy the Najdorf, maybe pull 50 GM games off of chessgames.com and go over them at a fast pace. Like a maximum of 5 minutes each game, just to see some patterns over and over, because right now I think your instincts in this middlegame are not good.

Wildekaart

+1.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would not recommend the Najdorf to anyone, it's arguably the hardest opening to study and understand completely, and honestly it's probably not even the best opening against the Sicilian. Even against 5. Nc3 I'd rather play 5..Nc6 and transpose to a Classical, but in this line there are also a ton of good moves for White.

The traditional Sicilian as a whole for Black for me is delaying the battle too much.

AJH1978

I have seen the debate on this and for what it's worth there is an acknowledgement of the opening advantage for white (theres a Wikipedia page discussing the issue). White has a single tempo advantage on black. My own scores are virtually identical with black and with white and the difference between the two is around the 1% mark depending on how good or bad a day I'm having. I've played over 4,000 games so it's a statistically significant sample size and it bears out what the Wikipedia page says, the opening advantage for white is insignificant compared to the relative competence of the players. Between two players of equal competence it might prove to be a winning advantage but in general it's not a factor. (I was going to say that the opening move doesn't determine the outcome of the match but I've had opponents quit after one move, I guess I will have to modify it with in aggregate).

janeymacfeck

Play like Bogolyubov , remember he said, why I am White I win because I am White. When I am Black, I win because I am Bogolyubov.

janeymacfeck

why sh be when

GMDuyVan

You can try studying deeper into defending lines.
Rewatch your gameplay and see when you start doing mistake, then extend your opening lines above that threshold. 
For example, there was a time i did sicilian defense while only remembering 8 first moves, i realized if i crumble it would be after 12th move, so i extend my sicilian book to 10 first moves and it improved a lot. It went even better when i tried to go to 12 moves.

Moonwarrior_1
llama47 wrote:

I have chessbase so it's easy for me to check stuff like this... I looked at 10 minute games.

@moonwarrior_1 you're scoring really badly from this position as black

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A few things I noticed.

You capture on d5 without thinking, even when you could win a pawn with Nxe4

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You also capture on d5 when it's a positional mistake as in the next two games below, so first let's talk a little bit about the structure I see you going for over and over.

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White's easy-mode scenario is if he can just focus on adding a lot of influence to d5 and d6. On d5 to keep your pawn backwards, and on d6 to win the pawn or at least tie defenders to it.

Your goal is to make some counterplay by pushing the queenside pawns, and sometimes breaking with f5 or the d5 pawn break if possible.

Ok, so with that in mind let's talk about your Bxd5 habit some more... 99% of the time that's only good when white has to recapture with a pawn. Otherwise you're just helping white keep your d6 pawn backwards on an open file (and plus your light squares become a lot weaker).

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And the last tip, I noticed you're rushing to trade off your light square bishop in other cases too.

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  • I don't know how much that will help you, maybe you should change how you face the sicilian completely, or if you really do enjoy the Najdorf, maybe pull 50 GM games off of chessgames.com and go over them at a fast pace. Like a maximum of 5 minutes each game, just to see some patterns over and over, because right now I think your instincts in this middlegame are not good.

Thank you!

firehead03

U are racist