Why Not Takeback Feature On Chess.com?

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there is a feature of takeback feature on lichess why not on chess.com sometimes we mouseslip in games then we can offer takeback to opponent if he accepts then we can get back a move its really help and i want chesscom to add it 

justbefair
ActionVolt wrote:

there is a feature of takeback feature on lichess why not on chess.com sometimes we mouseslip in games then we can offer takeback to opponent if he accepts then we can get back a move its really help and i want chesscom to add it 

Because people decided a long time ago that if you were going to have ratings, there would have to be certain standards.  There couldn't be takebacks.

There are take backs allowed in unrated daily games.

I understand that mouse slips can be unfortunate especially in a lengthy game. 

If takebacks were allowed in rated games, you'd have people using them to delay games. There would be whining-- so much whining.

This debate has been going on since the site started.

https://www.chess.com/forum/search?keyword=Takeback

You like bullet chess. You have to accept a certain number of mouse slips.

iofgilkdfdjfnbdkfbnj

Instead of takebacks, I'd rather have move confirmation

IHaveTHEChessSkill

why not just play on the other website

KillerKing0
iofgilkdfdjfnbdkfbnj wrote:

Instead of takebacks, I'd rather have move confirmation

i think you can do that, all you have to do is go to settings

 

bouquets

Turn on “confirm moves.” I have that on just to prevent misclicks and view the board when I’m making a move.

 

Sure, it’s another click and makes moves take longer, but my time is usually great (I main Rapid and games typically end with 6-8 minutes on my clock and 3-5 on my opponent’s).

 

I did have one draw caused by a mis-confirmed move as I was stressing on time, using one hand to click confirm and the other to do my move (I play mobile, hence speed) since I had around 2 minutes left. Had that mistake not happened, I likely would’ve won. However, I don’t mind as this is all part of online Chess.

 

Instead of adding a takeback, just don’t play online Chess.

Hedgehog1963

One of the few things I dislike about Lichess is the existence of takebacks. I switch them off.  You should own your mistakes.

Pulpofeira
Turkish_Emperor escribió:
IHaveTHEChessSkill wrote:

why not just play on the other website

 

That isn't the way things improve.

I wouldn't call that an improvement. Although it would be possible to allow takebacks by default and also give everyone the choice to disable them.

Dr_Risiko

I have to say I am happy that takeback is not an option here. It’s annoying if your opponent constantly asks for takebacks.

Pulpofeira
Turkish_Emperor escribió:
Pulpofeira wrote:
Turkish_Emperor escribió:
IHaveTHEChessSkill wrote:

why not just play on the other website

 

That isn't the way things improve.

I wouldn't call that an improvement. Although it would be possible to allow takebacks by default and also give everyone the choice to disable them.

 

Things have an opportunity to improve when you give Site Feedback (hence the Forum sub-section).    If people just left and went to play on another site, this site would have less idea why that might be.

Plus, I'm not talking about takebacks for blunders, I'm asking for takeback OPPORTUNITY for when a clear error has happened (due to iPad) - ie not taking the queen but landing one square before it, free for your opponent to take.  Happens in 1 minute bullet.

I said nothing about leaving the site, and my suggestion covers the scenario you described, if the opponent is ok with the takeback, something he/she shouldn't be forced to.

bouquets
Turkish_Emperor wrote:
Plus, I'm not talking about takebacks for blunders, I'm asking for takeback OPPORTUNITY for when a clear error has happened (due to iPad) - ie not taking the queen but landing one square before it, free for your opponent to take.  Happens in 1 minute bullet.

Yeah, no. In a case like this, you should have to live with that. I play on phone (tap and drag, same as iPad) and I just have confirm moves on for the sake of this happening. If you land one square before the queen, that’s 100% on you. 

Additionally, if the opponent has to accept/deny a takeback (via a request), then it hinders their time, therefore making the game either take longer unnecessarily (depending on mode) or making them lose time. This would cause more time cheating in modes like bullet and even rapid. If the opponent does not have to accept a takeback for it to happen, then it unfairly changes the board which forces the opponent to think way harder than they should.

InsertInterestingNameHere

This would be virtually useless in bullet, since it takes time to press the takeback option and no sane person would waste time on it, but it makes sense for something like rapid. Though I totally see why it hasn’t been and will not be implemented.

BlueHen86

How do I know it was mouse slip as opposed to a bad move that my opponent realized as soon as he played it?

I say no take backs. Mouse slips affect everyone, it evens out. On the other hand, I can see people taking advantage of the take back opportunity.

And if you don't allow the takeback, they call you names and report you for being unsportsmanlike. (Seen this happen on other websites)

No thanks to that.

BlueHen86
Turkish_Emperor wrote:

BTW, no problem, I've cancelled my membership on chess.com and playing more pleasurably for free on Lichess (on where there is zero problem regarding takebacks, it is not at all abused).

How are you here if you cancelled your membership?

InsertInterestingNameHere
BlueHen86 wrote:
Turkish_Emperor wrote:

BTW, no problem, I've cancelled my membership on chess.com and playing more pleasurably for free on Lichess (on where there is zero problem regarding takebacks, it is not at all abused).

How are you here if you cancelled your membership?

Paid membership. He had diamond.

BlueHen86
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
Turkish_Emperor wrote:

BTW, no problem, I've cancelled my membership on chess.com and playing more pleasurably for free on Lichess (on where there is zero problem regarding takebacks, it is not at all abused).

How are you here if you cancelled your membership?

Paid membership. He had diamond.

So he didn't cancel his membership, he just downgraded it. Thanks.

Morfizera
justbefair wrote:
ActionVolt wrote:

there is a feature of takeback feature on lichess why not on chess.com sometimes we mouseslip in games then we can offer takeback to opponent if he accepts then we can get back a move its really help and i want chesscom to add it 

Because people decided a long time ago that if you were going to have ratings, there would have to be certain standards.  There couldn't be takebacks.

There are take backs allowed in unrated daily games.

I understand that mouse slips can be unfortunate especially in a lengthy game. 

If takebacks were allowed in rated games, you'd have people using them to delay games. There would be whining-- so much whining.

This debate has been going on since the site started.

https://www.chess.com/forum/search?keyword=Takeback

You like bullet chess. You have to accept a certain number of mouse slips.

 

That's easily fixable. You ask for takeback just like offering a draw. Opponent has the right to accept, decline, or ignore and play their move (which would reject the takeback). Problem solved. No harm no foul.  Worst case scenario you can always add a "disable takebacks" feature, just like people disable chat.  Same with giving your opponent extra time. Sometimes I'd be launching a super cool attack that I haven't calculated all the way to mate or winning and I want to see if my opponent can defend and then they run out of time.

Only benefits, no drawbacks. But then again chess.com is known for being shiitty with a bunch of things...

If potential abuse is the issue, well, people can do that with draw offers, chat spamming, stalling, cheating, etc... you report it and and chess.com allegedly does something about it.

 

 

Morfizera
BlueHen86 wrote:

How do I know it was mouse slip as opposed to a bad move that my opponent realized as soon as he played it?

I say no take backs. Mouse slips affect everyone, it evens out. On the other hand, I can see people taking advantage of the take back opportunity.

And if you don't allow the takeback, they call you names and report you for being unsportsmanlike. (Seen this happen on other websites)

No thanks to that.

 You don't know know if it's a mouse slip or blunder. That's why it's up to you to decide whether to accept the takeback or not.  If they call you a bad sport you laugh and ignore them. Simple as that. In an ideal world you should even be able to report them and then chess.com would do something about it.

You ask for takeback just like offering a draw. Opponent has the right to accept, decline, or ignore and play their move (which would reject the takeback). Problem solved. No harm no foul.  Worst case scenario you can always add a "disable takebacks" feature, just like people disable chat.  It works just fine in other websites. Same with giving your opponent extra time. Sometimes I'd be launching a super cool attack that I haven't calculated all the way to mate or winning endgame and I want to see if my opponent can defend and then they run out of time.

Only benefits, no drawbacks. But then again chess.com is known for being shiitty with a bunch of things...

 

And how exactly would someone abuse it differently than they can with spamming draw offers?

If potential abuse is the issue, well, people can do that with draw offers, chat spamming, stalling, cheating, etc... you report it and and chess.com allegedly does something about it.

BlueHen86
Morfizera wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:

How do I know it was mouse slip as opposed to a bad move that my opponent realized as soon as he played it?

I say no take backs. Mouse slips affect everyone, it evens out. On the other hand, I can see people taking advantage of the take back opportunity.

And if you don't allow the takeback, they call you names and report you for being unsportsmanlike. (Seen this happen on other websites)

No thanks to that.

 You don't know know if it's a mouse slip or blunder. That's why it's up to you to decide whether to accept the takeback or not.  If they call you a bad sport you laugh and ignore them. Simple as that. In an ideal world you should even be able to report them and then chess.com would do something about it.

You ask for takeback just like offering a draw. Opponent has the right to accept, decline, or ignore and play their move (which would reject the takeback). Problem solved. No harm no foul.  Worst case scenario you can always add a "disable takebacks" feature, just like people disable chat.  It works just fine in other websites. Same with giving your opponent extra time. Sometimes I'd be launching a super cool attack that I haven't calculated all the way to mate or winning endgame and I want to see if my opponent can defend and then they run out of time.

Only benefits, no drawbacks. But then again chess.com is known for being shiitty with a bunch of things...

 

And how exactly would someone abuse it differently than they can with spamming draw offers?

If potential abuse is the issue, well, people can do that with draw offers, chat spamming, stalling, cheating, etc... you report it and and chess.com allegedly does something about it.

I don't care if it's a mouse slip or a blunder. Man up. No takebacks.

InsertInterestingNameHere

If we solved every problem by saying “just man up” the world would be a much worse place.

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