2 bishops vs 2 rooks end game, it is terrifying.

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samchessman123

Hello guys,

After playing chess for a long  time, yesterday I finally got into a game where I had 2 rooks and other person had 2 bishops in the end game. I was very chill the whole game, because I was material up, so I went to exchanges with not a worry in the world, then all of a sudden we ended up the at the game where I had 2 rooks and he had 2 bishops. Even worse the positon was open and his bishops had plenty of space to move. Luckily he blundered and I won, but it just made me realise that end game is not easy at all, I don't think in 2 bishops vs 2 rooks any side has the advantage. So my question is am I wrong, if so what is the technique that 2 rooks should try to use to win end games with 2 bishops. Is there a video explaining how to win this. Unfortunately.I didn't play the game, so no record, but I'll put a diagram, the game was something like this. 

samchessman123

I didn't play the game on chess.com what I mean, hence no record. 

ripachu
Hi sam, the position is completely winning for black. I assume the board was to be flipped, otherwise the situation you posted would end up with complex variations where there might be multiple queens on the board – black is still very much winning, though. Here's some analysis on the position you posted, assuming it was black to move.
 

 

The key idea in a R+R vs B+B endgame is to make the rooks work together: they can be in the same file, attack the same pieces and so on. With them you can force the bishops to passively defend against checks and mating threats. The bishops can't work so well together as they are on different colours. Thus if the rooks are working together, the bishops have no chance. White has to be slightly careful not to end up losing material as bishops can be tricky – always double check your moves before making them. Here's another endgame situation, as a puzzle for you. It is a bit long and not really a good puzzle since there are many winning moves and my suggestions might not even be the very best ones (so don't worry if you guess the wrong moves as long as you have the right idea), but it showcases some of the important ideas in this kind of a situation: pin the bishop, force the king to the edge of the board, and then have two pieces attack one bishop: it is lost.

Hope this helps!

samchessman123

Hey thank you so much ripachu great explanation. Sorry i didn't check back on this because no one replied earlier. I did the puzzle easily following your advice. 

wjcsz
extremely hard,I played this position against stockfish , I can not draw , let alone win,but I observe stockfish vs
Stockfish,it is a easy win for white
wjcsz
Easy win for black,two rooks are much stronger than two bishops,but I can’t beat stockfish
Fatalioriginal

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irenefox88
It looks like black is winning but I’m not that good yet,so 🤷🏼‍♀️
StrawberryPlushie11
Well if you swap a rook for a Bishop, it should be easier because now the other side can only control light or dark squares
StrawberryPlushie11
Example 2 should just be easy just pin a Bishop to the enemy king
StrawberryPlushie11
And then win the bishop for free. Easy.
stancco

The truth is it's an easy win. I have just tried it for fun against the stockfish with no pawns on the board and won easily.

The real chess starts when you manage to win queen vs rook endgame against the stockfish. It took me a load of hours practising it but it paid well, the joy of knowledge after it is just priceless.

I remember I thought at the beginning I will NEVER get to learn all the lines and paths, it seemed just too complicated for a small brain of mine.

Today I am able to win this endgame against the stockfish in a bullet game. I just learned all the moves and rehearsed it to the point where I just know the move automatically. Practice.

Practising that particular endgame will improve your calculation ability significantly, the benefits of studying this endgame are huge. I definitely recommend it for anyone who wants to enter the club of sharp-edged professionals.

Christian2236

https://www.chess.com/game/live/74631356629

Arisktotle

Probably somebody already wrote that but by my experience simply returning an exchange is often the simplest way to win this endgame type. Breaking through the lines with the second exchange sac is a good way to create the winning passed pawn - if you need one.

drdos7
samchessman123 wrote:

Hello guys,

After playing chess for a long time, yesterday I finally got into a game where I had 2 rooks and other person had 2 bishops in the end game. I was very chill the whole game, because I was material up, so I went to exchanges with not a worry in the world, then all of a sudden we ended up the at the game where I had 2 rooks and he had 2 bishops. Even worse the positon was open and his bishops had plenty of space to move. Luckily he blundered and I won, but it just made me realise that end game is not easy at all, I don't think in 2 bishops vs 2 rooks any side has the advantage. So my question is am I wrong, if so what is the technique that 2 rooks should try to use to win end games with 2 bishops. Is there a video explaining how to win this. Unfortunately.I didn't play the game, so no record, but I'll put a diagram, the game was something like this.

Here is a position where the 2 bishops prevail, can you see the win?

Hyipey1

Nice checkmate

bigswamper

how do u play specigic positions vs stockfish

stancco
bigswamper wrote:

how do u play specigic positions vs stockfish

On lichess

VenemousViper

Try to trade a bishop for a rook by pinning it, and then it'll be much easier. Restrict your opponent and prvent any counterplay.

VenemousViper

Also what's "terrifying" is that a bishop could fork your rooks or you could lose on time.