Rook Vs Bishop + 2 pawns
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I feel its an interesting situation. I am playing as white, and I feel I have slight advantage with two extra pawns. What do you think about this game ?
This is a lot better for black than if the pawns were connected/passed and white's bishop will not be effective on the queenside. It ought to be won for black although their is still a large grind ahead. Black definately wants to swap or distract white's rook as if b3 fall the game ends quickly. To this end Bd5 could be effective for white by sheltering the rook.
White also wants to try Rd5 giving up b3 for h5 and mobilising some strong passers. This is probably white's best chance although the rooks are currently stronger.
i think its a draw, neither of you can really put pressure on each other's pawns without dropping pawns of your own.
zealouspawn wrote:
i think its a draw, neither of you can really put pressure on each other's pawns without dropping pawns of your own.
But it is a question of which pawns. h5 will always be a good capture for white while b3 is key for black. Since black's pressure is insurmountable without a counter white has to force this trade. Which pawn is more important? That's who wins.
What do you think about Rc3 and then trying to push c4 pawn (ofcourse after moving white king to remove the current pin). It might be risky for black to go for bXc5, and might lose an extra pawn.
Oh, I didnt know that. Game has ended now, we accepted it as a draw. So hopefully we can discuss it now. :)
I think it is drawn
The usual rule of thumb I use is that the more open files there are, the stronger the rook will be relative to the bishop. With three open files, black is definitely in a stronger position, though white has a lot of draw potential with the bishop in an outpost position, albeit a timid one. The fact that the bishop can't guard the rear queenside pawn on b3 will probably prove fatal with perfect play.
Rc3 is not advisable as it deactivates your rook and allows black to play Rf5! in response, thwarting your intended pawn thrust and freeing the black king from its defense of the h-pawn. The trouble is, you don't have a whole lot of active moves to play. Breaking the pin with Kh3 invites Rb1, moving the bishop to d5 invites Rff2, and shuffling the rook to e3 makes Rd6 troublesome.
If I were playing this game myself, I'd probably try Be4. If black responds with Rff2 (which looks strong with doubled rooks on the 7th rank), then Rd7! wins due to the threat of Rh7#. Of course, Black has better moves available in reply, some of which probably win, but they aren't obvious, and all of them involve working through complications.
Jul 2, 2018
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usually the bishop and 2 pawns are a significant advantage, esp if they are more pieces to balance out the greater scope and color control of the rook. this is all dependent on the pawns not being weak though. if the two pawns are side by side, its nearly always winning unless something else in the position gets in the way.
i would normally go for such a trade unless something in the position (very active opposing king, many files, weak pawns, bad pawn blockade) spooks me.
nhim22 wrote:
lol mods should ban the brit guy like right now for spreading bs
Idiot you are talking about a comment that was typed up almost 10 years ago. Lol, get updated bro.
nhim22 wrote:
OMGdidIrealyjustsact wrote:
This is a lot better for black than if the pawns were connected/passed and white's bishop will not be effective on the queenside. It ought to be won for black although their is still a large grind ahead. Black definately wants to swap or distract white's rook as if b3 fall the game ends quickly. To this end Bd5 could be effective for white by sheltering the rook.
White also wants to try Rd5 giving up b3 for h5 and mobilising some strong passers. This is probably white's best chance although the rooks are currently stronger.
you dont know a single thing about chess, black has to fight really hard for a draw in this position. If his H pawn was to be connected, he WOULD HAVE LOST THE GAME, NO DOUBT. An even if white loses 2 kingside pawns (while black h pawn is connected), the game would still be extremely difficult for black (to win, and there is absolutely no way a player like you can understand the theory, of course never to ever win this position in a real game). Does it make you feel better trying to make yourself look smart by answering questions you dont have a single clue about because of your limited mind? I really hope you quit chess
Ummmm. White is the one who is fighting for the draw due to the material deficit. Actually, I take that back. White doesn't even have to fight for it. I just finished off the game as white against an engine. There are many ways to draw this, and there are many good moves, not one move that draws.
As long as one remembers one key points, this position is an easy draw. Do not trade rooks. Another thing found helpful was to always keep the rook on the 3rd row. With the bishop and pawn protecting each other, black should find it impossible to break through.
nhim22 wrote:
DetectiveRams wrote:
nhim22 wrote:
OMGdidIrealyjustsact wrote:
This is a lot better for black than if the pawns were connected/passed and white's bishop will not be effective on the queenside. It ought to be won for black although their is still a large grind ahead. Black definately wants to swap or distract white's rook as if b3 fall the game ends quickly. To this end Bd5 could be effective for white by sheltering the rook.
White also wants to try Rd5 giving up b3 for h5 and mobilising some strong passers. This is probably white's best chance although the rooks are currently stronger.
you dont know a single thing about chess, black has to fight really hard for a draw in this position. If his H pawn was to be connected, he WOULD HAVE LOST THE GAME, NO DOUBT. An even if white loses 2 kingside pawns (while black h pawn is connected), the game would still be extremely difficult for black (to win, and there is absolutely no way a player like you can understand the theory, of course never to ever win this position in a real game). Does it make you feel better trying to make yourself look smart by answering questions you dont have a single clue about because of your limited mind? I really hope you quit chess
Ummmm. White is the one who is fighting for the draw due to the material deficit. Actually, I take that back. White doesn't even have to fight for it. I just finished off the game as white against an engine. There are many ways to draw this, and there are many good moves, not one move that draws.
As long as one remembers one key points, this position is an easy draw. Do not trade rooks. Another thing found helpful was to always keep the rook on the 3rd row. With the bishop and pawn protecting each other, black should find it impossible to break through.
so what is your point? at my level of course i knew it was a draw the moment i saw the position, but in a blitz game, which side would u choose? my coach gm bui vinh reconfirmed that with time trouble every sane player would have chosen white.
I'm not about to disagree with a Grand Masters choice. This is an OPINION. I prefer black, as I find blundering less likely, and even with perfect play against a less-than-perfect player, white has a long grind to convert the advantage.
do u not fucking understand the position? how about this, lets do it like in middle school math and eliminate variables that is present on both sides except for the kings which leaves white with kb and 2 p and black with kr. now even the dumbest ever douche on this site can pull a draw with kb aganist kr easily.
Here is what you fail to understand. Chess doesn't always work out like mathematics. You don't understand that K+R+3P vs K+B+5P does not always simplify to K+B+2P vs K+R. In this position I agree that white is easily ahead. However, in the above position, due to the rook black has, white will have to be careful not to let black mobilise it to much. In time trouble, it is not terribly hard to blunder as white. Even with mediocre play from black, it is still extremely hard to convert the extra two pawns. Mathematics doesn't have the extra factors chess does. So this isn't middle school mathematics.
ok? so white has not only a fucking draw, but a draw with 2 extra pawns. if only u read my comment and actually understood it u wouldn't have to waste ur time playing an engine and typing a pointless comment. about the brit douche he still plays on this site so he is still responsible for all the bs he spreaded that affected many people.
The fact that I played an engine and maintained a draw with relative ease should perhaps show that it isn't that hard. I didn't just say that because I had a word count to adhere to. As for the 'brit douche', he made a mistake. It happens.
Here is an important life lesson: Degrading people is a low thing to do, and maybe you should try at being a decent person.
2plus2is3 wrote:
What about this position? I was playing white.
White wins easily. Use the bishops to cut the king off and queen your pawns. By the way, if one player has two minor pieces and a pawn and the other has a rook, it is a win for the minor piece side. If one player has a minor and three pawns and the other has a rook, it is a win for the minor piece side.