Can you force it? Can it even happen?
No, you cannot force it.
It can happen only if your opponent isn't paying attention.
Can you force it? Can it even happen?
No, you cannot force it.
It can happen only if your opponent isn't paying attention.
It is possible, but only if your opponent makes a mistake or wants to lose :).
If not, in the case when you drove his king into the corner, you can't stop
him from running away, since otherways you will get a stalemate.
I see. You can probably force it if you have a bishop on hand, right?
Yes. Of course, but two knights, a bishop and a king versus a king is a different problem.
With just the two knights, the defending side needs to have a pawn so that when the king would otherwise have been stalemated, it still has a move.
Don't you own any endgame books? This would be covered in any basic endgame book. There are also lessons about it in Chess Mentor- try the King versus Two Knights and a King lesson in the Build Your Technique course.
I don't own any endgame books. I thought this forum was for asking basic questions but it looks like I was wrong! Sorry to bother you.
I don't own any endgame books. I thought this forum was for asking basic questions but it looks like I was wrong! Sorry to bother you.
It's not a basic question. We gave you the right answer. It is impossible to force mate without the defender making bad moves.
However, in order to explain it further, I suggest that you get a book or use one of the Chess Mentor lessons. It is not easy to explain or demonstrate all the possibilities.
I just did that Chess Mentor lesson. It will show you a lot about why forcing mate isn't possible.
I don't own any endgame books. I thought this forum was for asking basic questions but it looks like I was wrong! Sorry to bother you.
It is, and I don't think he feels bothered since he is one of the most helpful members on the site. I think he's only suggesting you could get a great benefit from basic endgame books about many related questions you could have.
You could read about it on wikipedia too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_endgame
I took a glance at that chess mentor lesson, but it just seems odd to me. I don't understand what I'm aiming for. I know checkmate can't be forced yet I'm being judged on my technique at trying to achieve something that can't be achieved. I assume it is looking for moves that give your opponent maximum chance to hang themselves, but that's not the kind of 'technique' I'm interested in.
I've not seen a 'proof' that two Knights can't deliver mate, but I'm happy to just trust the books on that one!
There was another thread on this topic just a few days ago:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/k2n-vs-k
(p. 19)
1.5 King and Two Knights
vs King and Pawn
At first sight it is a bit surprising, but king and
two knights cannot mate a lone king by force
because stalemate situations arise when the
king is stuck near a corner. However, if the de-
fender has a pawn, it can provide the desired
tempi. The Russian theoretician Troitsky made
a detailed study of this endgame and discovered
the following rule:
8/8/1-4-1/2-2-2/-2--2-/8/8/8 - - - - -
1.06
The Troitsky Line
(p. 20)
If the pawn is securely blockaded by a white
knight no further down that the line, then Black
loses, no matter where the kings are. If the pawn
has advanced beyond the line, there is usually a
drawing and a losing zone for the defending
king, which were also analysed by Troitsky.
Muller, Karsten, and Frank Lamprecht. 2014. Fundamental Chess Endings. London, England: Gambit Publications Ltd.
Can you force it? Can it even happen?
No, you cannot force it.
It can happen only if your opponent isn't paying attention.
I don't think that position is possible!!
Of course it's possible. It requires a weak move from black but that's not impossible.
Can you force it? Can it even happen?