Uhm, white to move = black loses a rook and the game
How do I play this rook endgame position?
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1.Rxf7+,
Chesser777 wrote:
1.Rxf7+,
You mean 1. Rxc2+
AtahanT wrote:
Chesser777 wrote:
1.Rxf7+,
You mean 1. Rxc2+
Do you see any coordinates? And yes the board would be weird.
Chesser777 wrote:
AtahanT wrote:
Chesser777 wrote:
1.Rxf7+,
You mean 1. Rxc2+
Do you see any coordinates? And yes the board would be weird.
No but it is obvious that black is the bottom player because of the pawn structure.
AtahanT wrote:
Chesser777 wrote:
AtahanT wrote:
Chesser777 wrote:
1.Rxf7+,
You mean 1. Rxc2+
Do you see any coordinates? And yes the board would be weird.
No but it is obvious that black is the bottom player because of the pawn structure.
You lost me now. Why did you ask if I can see coordinates then?
I'm sorry. I meant black to move. I feel stupid.
Well, it looks to me as if black has a slightly superior position because his rooks aren't on a completely inactive file, and he has succeeded in getting in behind white's pawns. It looks as if white's h-pawn is very vulnerable, and black might consider continuing this game with R6b2, preparing to launch an attack on that pawn and win it. At the moment white's king is stretched between the weak pawns on h4 and d4, so black should be able to exploit that.
What he has to worry about is white's potential for moving a rook onto b7 at some point, which would probably cause the game to become winning for him.
However, it looks as if black should be able to eke out a victory, and if not that at least a certain draw.
May 7, 2009
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tonydal wrote:
An interesting position. Your only weakness--and it's a substantial one right now--is the pawn at f7. So I would probably play 1... Rxa2 2 Rxa2 Kd7. Now if you can get your king to f8 you're ready to go hunting for his pawns with ... Rb1, since he can no longer try Rb3 due to ... Ra1.
In answer to your question: Black has a bit of an advantage (but White may have enough space to counteract that). And I wouldn't worry too much about things that are "strategical"...these sorts of positions are much more tactical than anything else (like a lot of endgames).
after trading rooks (one pair)it seems pretty drawn to me.
Black doesn't have any pawn breaks(other than h3 which doesn't really create any problems for white).
If the black rook leaves the 6th then the white rook can come to the b file (threatening r-b7+ winning the a pawn)
with the two rooks on the board the black king can't penetrate
May 7, 2009
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#12
bah....for some reason I thought the black rook had to come to the c file to get out.
On second thought
trading rooks and then moving r-b8(after k-d7) may give slight advantage to black.
How about R6c6 followed by Kb6? could black force rook trades on b5 and/or a5 and eventually win the a-pawn? Or would it just end up being a drawn rook shuffle? also with black's king out of the way, he could bring a rook to c7 for defensive back-up if white tried something on the f-pawn.
edit: nevermind, I see that fails to 1... R6c6 2. Rxc2 Rxc2 3. Rb5
May 7, 2009
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#14
what about r-b2 threatening to win the a or e pawn immediately after the exchange of rooks
tonydal wrote:
An interesting position. Your only weakness--and it's a substantial one right now--is the pawn at f7. So I would probably play 1... Rxa2 2 Rxa2 Kd7. Now if you can get your king to f8 you're ready to go hunting for his pawns with ... Rb1, since he can no longer try Rb3 due to ... Ra1.
In answer to your question: Black has a bit of an advantage (but White may have enough space to counteract that). And I wouldn't worry too much about things that are "strategical"...these sorts of positions are much more tactical than anything else (like a lot of endgames).
I'm not sure about this plan. I believe that after 1...Rxa2 2.Rxa2 Kd7 white has 3.h5! and he will exchange on g6 and play on the h file. In this lines I believe that it is black who would need to play for a draw. Still I believe that in the starting position black is slightly better but it is most probably a draw. Sorry if I am mistaken.
@erikido23
When you say Rb2 you mean Rbb2 or Rcb2? as Rcb2 makes no sense I will assume that you mean Rbb2 but in this line I believe white is better after 1...Rcb2 2.Rc5+ Rxc5 3.Rxb2 and f7 or a7 pawn falls.
Thanks to all posters (even the ones who are irreperably confused thinking it's white to move :) ), I've learned from this.
Chesser777 wrote:
AtahanT wrote:
Chesser777 wrote:
AtahanT wrote:
Chesser777 wrote:
1.Rxf7+,
You mean 1. Rxc2+
Do you see any coordinates? And yes the board would be weird.
No but it is obvious that black is the bottom player because of the pawn structure.
I understand basic rook endgame principles, but I'm not sure how to continue play here. This is a position I played against LittleChessPartner, on hard.
Black to move, by the way. Ignore the "white to move" in the diagram. Thanks.