King and Queen vs King and Rook

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Goose189

Is there anyway to force a win with King and Queen vs King and Rook? I've tried a few times, against an engine, but haven't really made any progress. Is it a drawn or winning endgame?

TheKhopesh

Usually a draw. 
This might help: https://www.thechesswebsite.com/queen-vs-rook-endgame/

BoeingNotAirbus

you as queen or rook?

The_Gonkalorian

https://www.chess.com/endgames/checkmates/queen-vs-rook/practice

nklristic
TheKhopesh wrote:

Usually a draw. 
This might help: https://www.thechesswebsite.com/queen-vs-rook-endgame/

It is not usually a draw. It is generally a win, but it is very complex in many cases.

Pulpofeira

What happens with this is, against best defense it is extremely difficult to win, but at amateur level in practice the weak side often screws it up.

NewPatzer

It's a force win but a 3 stage process. Fundamental Chess Endgame book will show you that.

Laskersnephew

As others have already said, Q vs R endgames are usually a win for the Q. But that doesn't mean they are usually won! There are some very specific techniques and positions you need to know. Otherwise, you may not be able to get the job done in the 50 moves

Laskersnephew

For premium members. jfriedel (GM Josh Friedel) has a three video series on howw to win this ending

Duckyshark101

hi

blueemu

As stated, Queen vs Rook is usually a win.

The main winning method is to force the side with the Rook back toward a corner. He will try to keep his King and Rook together, so that they can't be forked. So you force him back into this position:

 

 

If it is Black's move in this position he must seperate the King and Rook (since 1. ... Ra7 loses to 2. Qd8#) and will quickly get forked with a series of checks.

But what if it's White's move?... Then you deliberately lose a tempo in order to force Black onto the move:

 

 

Now we have the same position as before, but it is Black's move instead of White's!

No matter where the Rook goes, Black quickly gets forked after a short series of checks.

 

 

Avery150
Maybe pin the queen or skewer the queen
Uhohspaghettio1
Pulpofeira wrote:

What happens with this is, against best defense it is extremely difficult to win, but at amateur level in practice the weak side often screws it up.

Exactly. It's especially worth knowing how to defend it because given the option a lot of players will trade down to it without hesitation thinking it's an easy win (which it is if the defender doesn't know what to do). So learn how to defend it and you might sometimes find a way to it and lead them to a nasty surprise. A bit like getting them down to N + B which no player has ever beaten me with (despite having increment). 

Aadrikadimpi2012

I m queen👸👑

blueemu
Ethylenedioxythiophene wrote:

drawn in most positions unless the king and rook are really spaced apart

Wrong. A method exists for forcing them apart. Check post #11.

BoeingNotAirbus

i tried it in assisted, it is a lot harder than you think. eval bar kept saying M15 but the lines said +10ish 

eventually got to it in 50 moves