People not drawing king rook king rook endgames

Hello!

How do you deal with players who won't accept endgames where it's king rook vs king rook? Every time I run into it, I always become tilted because I am frustrated that they won't draw for upwards of five minutes of shuffling our rooks back and forth. Inevitably I make a mistake and then they laugh in chat saying something to the effect of "that's why I never accept draws."

I know I need to get better. It is still really frustrating. It's also really discouraging to me because I try to get better, but shuffling your king and rook back and forth for five minutes really does something to me for some reason. To me it is extremely disrespectful. 

Another thing that sometimes happens is people won't resign when they are down 6+ points of material. At my level I also take that as disrespect. Tips? 

Make safe premoves and then claim a draw after 50 moves.

If you can't make safe premoves, then take some time after the game to strategize how it will work. Hint:  keep your king and rook close together.

About 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 moves will require you to think a bit, so you can't premove for those. This happens when the opponent's king touches your rook because that means you might be in danger of losing your rook after a check. In that case move the rook far away temporarily, give some checks, then move back close to your king and start premoving again.

 

Yeah, good, this is how it works.

You had a strategy, it didn't work, so now you know. Sure the loss is frustrating, but that was one of the only ways to lose... and now that you learned this it wont happen to you anymore.

Unfortunately I have been checkmated before in this exact same way... I know conceptually not to do this, but in the heat of the game I get thrown off... sometimes I even misclick. that's the worst. Especially because the opponent doesn't believe you.

 

Sorry for the rant I am just very tilted atm... I am stopping chess for the night

Another thing is I've actually been timed out before. I'll have a minute and they'll have two and while I know it's a draw I lose by time.

We've all lost in ridiculous ways, so I understand.

I just came up with an idea though!

Typical chess.com screws up the diagram... the position should start on move 68.

 

Hey thanks for that! Sorry again for my rant but thank you for understanding!

The downside to that is you can't premove all of it because they could play rook threatens rook and your premove would prevent you from capturing their rook.

So if you only have 10 seconds you'd need to practice a technique that keeps the king and rook together most of the time.

After you’d had 9 draws declined (or even 1), what mileage was there in offering a tenth? All that does is scream to your opponent “I’m very frustrated” 

Just focus on holding the draw and don’t worry about ‘respect’ - keep your rook a long way from your king so you don’t accidentally get boxed in, and make it as painfully boring for them as it is for you. 

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Play with increment, problem fixed.

i know.. i have been flagged many times.. when i am winning or drawing positions, i have been flagged and i have cried, but not to worry, thats why now i don't feel bad to flag others

Clock management is one thing about chess when played with clocks, clock is a new hope kind of new piece to chess board, so when out of hopes to win, look at the clock to see whether you can get help from the clocks,


Play Increments or play fast , enable premove feature and use a good mouse, Have some fun!!

One thing that I have found that works is to get my rook  on a file or rank between my king and my opponent's king (see diagram).  This keeps my opponent's king from helping to checkmate my king.  It works most of the time if I have two minutes or more left on my clock, but occasionally I get bored and inadvertently let my opponent capture my rook.

Note:  After move 70

 

 

You already know the solution: Block them and move on. Crying on the forums won't help

 

Hi.

What I do:

I only play with increment (people usually do not drag games with increment).

I do not play individual challenges against humans (a few people are quite rude, I do not need to expose myself to this).

As for the game... there was no reason to voluntarily send your king to the edge of the board. Keep it in the center, there is no way to get checkmated there with this material.

Greetings.

 

Sometimes it happens. I’ve lost a few R vs R endgames myself.

Advance your king towards his, and try to force your opponent’s king to a ledge or corner. If you stay on the aggressive and resist moving backwards, you may successfully push them to the edge where subsequent defense for your opponent becomes increasingly difficult, especially under time pressure.

Focus on taking away squares from their king, sending them closer and closer to the edge. As they get closer to the edge, your opponent will begin to have greater difficulty defending, and they will have to play more accurately and think more in order to avoid getting checkmated or losing their rook.

Look for pins and skewers. It’s a common mistake that your opponent may line up his K and R in a way that you can force a trade of pieces. Sometimes, if he makes a particularly grievous mistake, which often happens under time pressure, you may be able to steal his rook and obtain a winning endgame. Also make sure not to be vulnerable to any rook check tactics and the like, as often happens when your rook is overextended.

Eventually, you may force them into a position where they will HAVE TO block with their rook in order to avoid getting checkmated, and then you can simply trade rooks resulting in a draw.

You must first accept the reality that you are embarrassingly bad at endgames. Not just you, all of us... I feel you man... a painful example from a game I lost when I was 1450-1500 Rapid... ^ 

People swindle from completely lost positions... so why not from drawn ones? 

 

You have to understand the game would become boring if amateurs would resign or draw when masters do. They resign or accept draws not because they "respect" one another, because they know for a 100% fact the guy won't blunder. not 99%, 100%.

 

You deserve no respect. Just like if someone plays an extremely dubious gambit against you, maybe it is well worth it to test your non-existent opening knowledge. (or mine, for that matter, I get destroyed very often out of the opening by garbage gambits. that makes me garbage, not the gambits disrespectful, simple as that)...

 

Hikaru once said what differs Magnus (and to some extent Alireza) from all other super GM's is he (they) knows classic endgames by heart. He dosen't think about it like a table-base "this is drawn, this isn't"... He can litterally create magic in a dead drawn position because he remembers some famous endgame from 1927 when the guy extracted water from stone with a crazy endgame pattern/tactic that seems impossible and drawn... So learn from Magnus and Alireza, strive to have a magic endgame powers, not just "objective ones"...

Endgames are byfar the most important aspect of the game... Study them.

Study basics, study complex ones, look at master games with focusing on the endgame... Study stuff that actually requires deep thought, and you will never struggle to shuffle your rook 50 moves or play out life-less positions if opponent is testing you... 

Its just something you'll have to deal with. At your rating range some people might think that they can cheese a victory. My best advice is to just keep your king and rook as many files and ranks away from each other as possible, and make sure to not get stuck in a mating net. I know it's annoying but at the end of the day draws can only be made by mutual agreement or checkmate impossibility

Try to skewer the opponent's king & rook.