Where did I go wrong with 'Opposition'

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JagdeepSingh

Hi, here is game (only at the end) where I thought that I had a draw because of 'opposition' but to my suprise i lost.  Did i miss anything about opposition.  I thought that when you doing the 'opposition' draw is the result.  Is there other position where 'opposition' won't work.  Thank you for your help.



gambiteer12

A non rook-pawn pawn on the fifth rank + king on the 6th rank is winning, regardless of whether the defender takes opposition.

In this position white to move draws and black to move wins.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But in the game positon where blacks king is in front of his pawn on the 6th, black wins regardless of who is to move.

iixxPROxxii

Stockfish says that in this position, you had no chance.

Berder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_and_pawn_versus_king_endgame#Pawns_other_than_rook_pawns

This describes the key squares for promoting a non-rook pawn.  Your opponent reached a key square for promoting his pawn, so opposition didn't matter.

JagdeepSingh

Thanks for the info.  I let this position happened thinking that it was a draw.  I was shocked with the final result.  My ignorence and lack of knowledge was very obvious here.  

Heinrich_24

I just made a post, after reading this some hours ago. It is aendgame study according to your that theme:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/endgames/knowing-the-opposition-rules-can-help

jphillips

I've heard that if the king is in front of the pawn, like it was in your diagram, then it is a win.  If it is behind the pawn, then there is a chance for a draw depending on opposition.

shoopi

That's simply wrong. It is only correct if the pawn is on the 6th rank. Here's an example when a king is in front of the pawn and it's a draw:



JagdeepSingh

To learm more about opposition, just go to the link in post #6 by mauerblume.  He has made about 4 blogs about it & it is very informative.  

holon23

#2 says it all 

DavidMertz1

The main point is, because the pawn is only on the 5th rank, your opponent can push it to the 6th rank and thereby flip who has the opposition by not moving his king.

shoopi
rdecredico wrote:
shoopi wrote:

That's simply wrong. It is only correct if the pawn is on the 6th rank. Here's an example when a king is in front of the pawn and it's a draw:



Whoever has the move is at disadvantage.  With Black to move, White wins. 

Yes, 10 months ago (when I posted this) diagrams included side to move, so it was clearly stipulated "white to move" on the diagram.

JagdeepSingh
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JG27Pyth

Chess Mentor lesson on Opposition, King in front of pawn 6th rank.

Shakaali

About a year ago I wrote a series of 4 blog posts covering this whole ending pawn+king vs. king. In case you would like to take a look, it begins here: http://www.chess.com/blog/Shakaali/elementary-pawn-endings-i

Shakaali

Opposition is only significant when the kings fight about the control of certain key squares. If the attacking side already occupies a key square then opposition is totally meaningless. Key squares are the most basic concept of pawn endings, not opposition.

JagdeepSingh

Thanks everybody but at the time of posting (1 & half year ago) i was puzzled.  Now i know where i went wrong & what is opposition.  Thanks a lot

Dumbluck626

For anyone trying to understand how to maintain the opposition, zugzwang, or king pawn endgames in general, I just put out an article that can help

https://www.chess.com/blog/Dumbluck626/the-path-to-victory-when-youre-a-pawn-up-calculation-part-x

kasmo12345
Dumbluck626 kirjoitti:

For anyone trying to understand how to maintain the opposition, zugzwang, or king pawn endgames in general, I just put out an article that can help

https://www.chess.com/blog/Dumbluck626/the-path-to-victory-when-youre-a-pawn-up-calculation-part-x

great article