Help with attack by bishop and knight on f7/f2

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ThinWhiteDuke85

I've been having problems lately with this type of attack which I feel I ought to be able to defend against or rather prevent such an attack from developing full stop.

In the first game I play as white and after trying to attack the knight and defend all of my pieces I lose my queen. 

In the second I play as black and face a wayward queen attack which I thought I fended off well. From there it went downhill.   7.bc4 is where I began to lose it. 

I don't play these attacks myself (I've actually tried but can't seem to get my knight into position with out it coming under attack.) I tried it half heartedly above with 5...Nb4 but he defends with his queen. 

Any help would be appreciated. 

NiceAndFlowy

i mean, in the first game after Nxf2 you could have just played Rxf2 and white is completely winning..

AtaChess68
There are a few openings principles, rules of thumb. One of them is not to move your pieces twice in the opening.

I think it would help you if you check both games with that rule in mind.
ThinWhiteDuke85
NiceAndFlowy wrote:

i mean, in the first game after Nxf2 you could have just played Rxf2 and white is completely winning..

 

That's what the analysis said I should've done. I was trying however not to drop my rook. 

JackRoach

Take the knight. 2 pieces is better than a rook and pawn

Sammy_Thechessboy

Take the knight/bishop on f2 or f7 and you're up a piece, since theoretically, a knight and bishop will be better than a flank pawn and a rook.

ThinWhiteDuke85

Thanks for the replies. It would appear then that losing a pawn and rook is better for the middle game to come if the opponent has lost his knight and bishop.  

harriw

As mentioned in the first game just capture with the rook, knight and bishop are rougly equal to the rook and pawn. In the second game one way to stop the attack would have been 8. ... Na5, which forks the bishop and the queen and after the queen moves, just capture the bishop and there is much less pressure against f7 (9. Bxf7+ Qxf7 10. Qxf7+ Kxf7 is just bad for White).

It will also be worth learning the defense against the Fried liver attack (which is similar to these) as you may soon enter the rating range, where it is popular. The attack is 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 (if you want to avoid this, play 3. ... Bc5, but then be prepared for Evans gambit lines, which are equally sharp) 4. Ng5 with a double attack on f7. There are several ways to defend this, but the intuitive 4. ... d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 is the wrong one. The most played one is 4. ... d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6. Black loses a pawn but has better development so this line is not good for White if Black knows how to defend it. (This is one of the very few opening lines you really need to know as a beginner.)

wornaki

Besides all of the explanations that others have been so kind to give you I suggest that you don't play e5 against e4. By doing just that, you completely forget about the insidious idiotic attacks on f2-f7 and get to play real chess. The f2-f7 mad attacks are solved forever.

blueemu
ThinWhiteDuke85 wrote:

Thanks for the replies. It would appear then that losing a pawn and rook is better for the middle game to come if the opponent has lost his knight and bishop.  

Correct. After simply taking the Knight on f2 with your Rook (gaining Bishop and Knight for Rook and Pawn), White is already winning. Your slightly exposed King is a non-issue, since Black can't attack it without developed pieces, and he has already traded off his developed pieces on f2.

MingLing7

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