How exactly does the Rating system work
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Jul 5, 2023
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So I noticed something recently. I've been winning a lot of my games recently and been climbing super slowly (finally got myself up past 700). I noticed some newer people that only have less than 20 games under their belt already up in the 1500 rating range. Was wondering how that worked, like if you beat higher ranked players, you rise faster? that's what I'm assuming, but not totally sure.
Jul 5, 2023
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TheMadDrummer99 wrote:
So I noticed something recently. I've been winning a lot of my games recently and been climbing super slowly (finally got myself up past 700). I noticed some newer people that only have less than 20 games under their belt already up in the 1500 rating range. Was wondering how that worked, like if you beat higher ranked players, you rise faster? that's what I'm assuming, but not totally sure.
The site used the Glicko rating system which includes a measure of rating uncertainty called the rating deviation (RD) value. New accounts have a high RD value and will see larger rating changes after games. As more games are played, the value decreases as does the magnitude of rating changes.
https://support.chess.com/article/210-how-do-ratings-work-on-chess-com
Jul 5, 2023
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#3
So basically if you make your acct and have a winning streak right off the bat, your rating is going to be like super high.. but if you lose a couple games getting your footing but then go on a winning streak later on, you have to do like 10X the work to get your rating up that high?
Jul 5, 2023
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#4
I lost a lot of games so that doesn't really apply to me btw.. but just in general. It's like pulling teeth raising my elo.
Jul 5, 2023
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TheMadDrummer99 wrote:
So basically if you make your acct and have a winning streak right off the bat...
Actually it doesn't matter if you start with a lucky winning streak or not. The more you play, then the more accurate your rating will become. If you get lucky with a winning streak, then you'll just encounter tougher competition (players who reached this rating without a lucky winning streak) and you'll likely drop back down in rating eventually.
Similarly, if you start off with a losing streak, then you'll probably get paired with lower rated players (who weren't in a losing streak) and you'll be likely to recover some rating.
Jul 5, 2023
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#6
Ahh makes sense.. it's just crazy hard to recover from a losing trend. For a while I was losing like 3, 4, 5 games in a row. Lately I've won like 17 out of my last 21 rapid games, but only raised like 150elo. At this rate I'm gonna have to win another 70 games to get up to 950-1000 if I don't go on another losing streak.
Jul 5, 2023
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TheMadDrummer99 wrote:
Ahh makes sense.. it's just crazy hard to recover from a losing trend. For a while I was losing like 3, 4, 5 games in a row. Lately I've won like 17 out of my last 21 rapid games, but only raised like 150elo. At this rate I'm gonna have to win another 70 games to get up to 950-1000 if I don't go on another losing streak.
Remember, chess improvement isn't a one-day sprint; it is a life-time marathon. If you played this much today, then you should probably take a break and continue another day. By taking breaks like this, you make sure that you are playing in strong form each time you play. 
Jul 5, 2023
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#8
That's actually what ive been doing. I only played 1 rapid today, and a couple blitz.. usually I play 1 or 2 rapids a day, and do some rapids on lichess.
I'm so confused about the rating system here cause at first I thought if you beat someone with a higher rank you get more and vice versa but I just lost to someone who's 596 while being 419, and I got -5 (which was fine), but he got +38
I don't think I've ever seen a +38 before
Jul 18, 2024
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kottumeepacketeka wrote:
I'm so confused about the rating system here cause at first I thought if you beat someone with a higher rank you get more and vice versa but I just lost to someone who's 596 while being 419, and I got -5 (which was fine), but he got +38
I don't think I've ever seen a +38 before
https://support.chess.com/article/210-how-do-ratings-work-on-chess-com
Once ratings stabilize, (and you are playing someone around your rating) you'll usually gain 8 rating points for a win, lose 8 for a loss and no rating change for a draw. Most ratings are in the plus or minus 6 to 10 range or maybe 4 to 12 range, but anything outside this range probably means the players are rated far apart, or the player(s) haven't played many games yet.
If someone gained +38 points, then they probably had a newer account which wasn't stabilized in rating yet. Rating stabilize more once more rated games are played (and especially with games played within the last 90 days).
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
kottumeepacketeka wrote:
I'm so confused about the rating system here cause at first I thought if you beat someone with a higher rank you get more and vice versa but I just lost to someone who's 596 while being 419, and I got -5 (which was fine), but he got +38
I don't think I've ever seen a +38 before
https://support.chess.com/article/210-how-do-ratings-work-on-chess-com
Once ratings stabilize, (and you are playing someone around your rating) you'll usually gain 8 rating points for a win, lose 8 for a loss and no rating change for a draw. Most ratings are in the plus or minus 6 to 10 range or maybe 4 to 12 range, but anything outside this range probably means the players are rated far apart, or the player(s) haven't played many games yet.
If someone gained +38 points, then they probably had a newer account which wasn't stabilized in rating yet. Rating stabilize more once more rated games are played (and especially with games played within the last 90 days).
Ohhhh, okay that makes sense, thank you
The rating scheme is ridiculous and unfair. As others pointed out, wining on a new account is determinant on your rating. Another ridiculous thing is I just got deducted a point for a draw. It was +7 for a win and -9 for a loss. It has been +-8 forever now, why the sudden change? Chess.com is trash.