huge difference between blitz and rapid rating

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chess_olie

my rapid is 2130 and my blitz is 1623 even though my blitz win rate is more than my rapid win rate🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

coachalexstriking

Rapid 1175

Blitz 840

Bullet 781

Daily 880

DataBlast023

I am 1100 daily, but 600 blitz. It seems that blitz rating is half the rating of other formats. So a 3000 player would only be 1500 in blitz. That's really confusing when people say 1000-1500 is novice rating.

AerryChris

I was watching an episode of perpetual chess regarding Neimann in which they had a foremost chess statistician show the science behind rating drops/curves etc and basically demonstrating Neimann fits within the norm once you adjust for rating freezes during 2020. Anyway, one of the things he looked at was the rating drop when you remove time from a player. The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.

Kraig
AerryChris wrote:

The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.


What does this mean? A GM loses 700 points during blitz? This isn't my observation, and in fact, Hikaru said playing blitz actually contributed to him getting better.

AerryChris
Kraig wrote:
AerryChris wrote:

The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.


What does this mean? A GM loses 700 points during blitz? This isn't my observation, and in fact, Hikaru said playing blitz actually contributed to him getting better.


Hopefully this will help, but its the overall quality of play. Whether or not Hikaru says that, the Data is pretty clear. He runs through it all here (Started it at relevant part, theres a lot in here about deviant curves, center pawn loss etc) :

https://youtu.be/UsEIBzm5msU?t=478

DataBlast023

If everyone plays worse, doesn't that mean that ratings should stay about the same, since ratings are a measure of how one player does against the rest of the player pool? Ratings should only be lower if the player pool is tougher overall, rather than just objective accuracy going down across the board, isn't that right?

stitchedpeanut
WilliamWinotaWonkieWonk wrote:

Same for me. Only started in chess about a month ago, going at it pretty hardcore since then. I'm pretty proud of my calculation skill progress in slow-paced modes, as I can already compete with 1400-1500 bots and humans there. Yesterday I first tried Blitz and it has fried my brain since. Even 700s feel so strong and they all feel so much faster than me, I would trash them in a slow game. I won some games last minute with tactics after being down material, but it's a struggle still. I guess I just need much more experience to consistently make decent snap calls in fast-paced chess. Currently I'm relying all on careful consideration & calculation, no intuition.

I feel like my experience has been similar. I just recently got back into chess, and made it to 1350 rapid quite easily. However, I've struggled mightily in the few blitz games I've played, because I don't have the time to calculate. I feel like one reason for the discrepancy could be that blitz is more based around experience and intuition, while rapid allows for calculation. Newer/lower ELO players have higher rapid than blitz ratings because they lack this intuition. 

Tactrix
GlonzoHonzo wrote:
I recently started playing longer games as I had been recommended in a forum I posted here (thanks for the help) and it did indeed help me calculate my position and moves better and I’ve won multiple games against 1400+ players which is exciting since I didn’t think I’d ever really reach that point. The only problem is I’m losing blitz game after blitz game with the new changes even when I play 5|5. Like how can I be almost a 1400 in rapid but a 900 in blitz (dropped by 150 from where it was at 1050 about a week ago. Anyone want to fill me in on how this could be?

ok so here's the deal, rapid is actually the sweet spot of skill and I'll explain. Bullet is where you play when even if you're not skilled you can still survive long enough for your opponent to lose. Rapid is where you play to enhance your game because you have the time to properly think through your positions. And blitz is where both of those collide. It's where you're playing quite fast but not fast enough to force a time crunch against decent players.

It's where you can get through that pesky opening quickly, but still get stuck in a time jam towards the end. Which is why blitz is usually the most interesting and exciting. Now, the reason why your rating(and my rating, and generally everyone else's rating) is lower in blitz is because not only does it have a higher level of player skill, but it also has generally half the time, which means at least half the players at our skill level in rapid fall off due to time constraints. So only the better players remain.

HotPockets25

My officemate advised me to just play Blitz to get better. Lost badly to him back in 2021 when I downloaded the app. Made a formal start to properly play chess a year later.

Started at 300 Blitz and took me a year to get to 1000, with instances of a few weeks to a month or two of not playing due to work.

Tried Rapid a few days ago and there really is a big difference. Even if it's 10 minutes, the extra 5 minutes on the clock made the match more relaxing like weights being removed, though I find it odd that 600 Rapid plays differently than 600 Blitz.

7777777_xxxxxxx
SaagnikChess skrev:

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7777777_xxxxxxx
AerryChris skrev:

I was watching an episode of perpetual chess regarding Neimann in which they had a foremost chess statistician show the science behind rating drops/curves etc and basically demonstrating Neimann fits within the norm once you adjust for rating freezes during 2020. Anyway, one of the things he looked at was the rating drop when you remove time from a player. The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.

Greetings Mr AerryCris : )

I hope you are still here and not left the site and please help me here.

To day i visited Chess.com on the www using this address/link : chess.com/leaderboard?/live?.

I clicked on the buttons that said : BLITZ ans GLOBAL.

The list for blitz-raiting on the site has 10 000 pages and are listing up 500 000 players that are members of Chess.com under the "banner" : BLITZ and GLOBAL.

The first approximately 3000 players have a rating OWER 2500.

Then you will finde approximatly 170 000 players having a rating OWER 1600.

And since the list ends at the player ranked as nr 500 000 we know that there

are appoximatly 330 000 players between 1200 and up to 1600 ratingpoints.

We also know that Chess.com have 100 000 000 million members TOTALY.

What is my need? Can some caring loving players help me out here?

Weeeel........

What is BLITZ?

As i understands it there are 2-to-types :

Type nr 1 : 3 min pr player and NO additional time pr move.

(There will then ONLY be 6 min TOTAL on the game. (" When the time is up, its up")

Type nr 2 : 3 min pr player WITH additional time pr move.

So what am i asking fore here then?

When i look at the site (the add/link ower) under BLITZ and GLOBAL :

IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT KINDE OF BLITZ IT IS.

So my question is this : What type of BLITZ is it?

Is it type 1 ore type 2.

Ore is it a amalgamation of the 2-to-types?

I realy hope to gett help here.

Regards from a little Chicken : )

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Tactrix
7777777_xxxxxxx wrote:
AerryChris skrev:

I was watching an episode of perpetual chess regarding Neimann in which they had a foremost chess statistician show the science behind rating drops/curves etc and basically demonstrating Neimann fits within the norm once you adjust for rating freezes during 2020. Anyway, one of the things he looked at was the rating drop when you remove time from a player. The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.

Greetings Mr AerryCris : )

I hope you are still here and not left the site and please help me here.

To day i visited Chess.com on the www using this address/link : chess.com/leaderboard?/live?.

I clicked on the buttons that said : BLITZ ans GLOBAL.

The list for blitz-raiting on the site has 10 000 pages and are listing up 500 000 players that are members of Chess.com under the "banner" : BLITZ and GLOBAL.

The first approximately 3000 players have a rating OWER 2500.

Then you will finde approximatly 170 000 players having a rating OWER 1600.

And since the list ends at the player ranked as nr 500 000 we know that there

are appoximatly 330 000 players between 1200 and up to 1600 ratingpoints.

We also know that Chess.com have 100 000 000 million members TOTALY.

What is my need? Can some caring loving players help me out here?

Weeeel........

What is BLITZ?

As i understands it there are 2-to-types :

Type nr 1 : 3 min pr player and NO additional time pr move.

(There will then ONLY be 6 min TOTAL on the game. (" When the time is up, its up")

Type nr 2 : 3 min pr player WITH additional time pr move.

So what am i asking fore here then?

When i look at the site (the add/link ower) under BLITZ and GLOBAL :

IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT KINDE OF BLITZ IT IS.

So my question is this : What type of BLITZ is it?

Is it type 1 ore type 2.

Ore is it a amalgamation of the 2-to-types?

I realy hope to gett help here.

Regards from a little Chicken : )

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There are 3 types of blitz on this site. 3 minute, 5 minute, and 3-2.

7777777_xxxxxxx
Tactrix skrev:
7777777_xxxxxxx wrote:
AerryChris skrev:

I was watching an episode of perpetual chess regarding Neimann in which they had a foremost chess statistician show the science behind rating drops/curves etc and basically demonstrating Neimann fits within the norm once you adjust for rating freezes during 2020. Anyway, one of the things he looked at was the rating drop when you remove time from a player. The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.

Greetings Mr AerryCris : )

I hope you are still here and not left the site and please help me here.

To day i visited Chess.com on the www using this address/link : chess.com/leaderboard?/live?.

I clicked on the buttons that said : BLITZ ans GLOBAL.

The list for blitz-raiting on the site has 10 000 pages and are listing up 500 000 players that are members of Chess.com under the "banner" : BLITZ and GLOBAL.

The first approximately 3000 players have a rating OWER 2500.

Then you will finde approximatly 170 000 players having a rating OWER 1600.

And since the list ends at the player ranked as nr 500 000 we know that there

are appoximatly 330 000 players between 1200 and up to 1600 ratingpoints.

We also know that Chess.com have 100 000 000 million members TOTALY.

What is my need? Can some caring loving players help me out here?

Weeeel........

What is BLITZ?

As i understands it there are 2-to-types :

Type nr 1 : 3 min pr player and NO additional time pr move.

(There will then ONLY be 6 min TOTAL on the game. (" When the time is up, its up")

Type nr 2 : 3 min pr player WITH additional time pr move.

So what am i asking fore here then?

When i look at the site (the add/link ower) under BLITZ and GLOBAL :

IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT KINDE OF BLITZ IT IS.

So my question is this : What type of BLITZ is it?

Is it type 1 ore type 2.

Ore is it a amalgamation of the 2-to-types?

I realy hope to gett help here.

Regards from a little Chicken : )

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There are 3 types of blitz on this site. 3 minute, 5 minute, and 3-2.

It my seems to me Sir that you did not understand my questions complete.

Under the leaderboard/live, as you can read above it says clearly (if you have used the link at Chess.com) :

BLITZ and GLOBAL. (Standings/ratingpoints)

So fare so good.

Butt what kinde (type)of BLITZ are they talking about in that leaderbord/livelink ?

Regards from a little Chicken : )

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WhippetOfSickles

Did you see the 60 minute rapid setting?

Mazetoskylo
Optimissed wrote:

Rapid used to be anything from 15 minutes to 74 minutes for each player for a whole game. 75 minutes was the fastest speed for slow chess and 10 minutes was blitz, which it still is. Only Chess.com think it isn't, maybe.

OTB everything lasting more than one hour total time isn't rapid, since ever. Longest rapid time controls are 30'+0" and 25'+10" (although the latter can theoretically keep the game alive for more than one hour).

Paulyboys

I've got to have one of the biggest distances between my rapid and blitz elo on this site (not that it's anything to be proud of)

I'm 1236 rapid and 514 blitz. I'm 400 on bullet. 30 minute games just feel perfect for me. The time on daily games makes me lose my concentration, I can't focus when there's hour long gaps inbetween moves, I forget where I'm up to and what tactics I had in mind. It's the opposite for blitz and bullet, I just can't think that fast.

iceman1550

Whats your personal Blitz/ game winning streak? I won 12 in a row, which feels nice, what's everyones streak?

7777777_xxxxxxx
7777777_xxxxxxx skrev:
Tactrix skrev:
7777777_xxxxxxx wrote:
AerryChris skrev:

I was watching an episode of perpetual chess regarding Neimann in which they had a foremost chess statistician show the science behind rating drops/curves etc and basically demonstrating Neimann fits within the norm once you adjust for rating freezes during 2020. Anyway, one of the things he looked at was the rating drop when you remove time from a player. The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.

Greetings Mr AerryCris : )

I hope you are still here and not left the site and please help me here.

To day i visited Chess.com on the www using this address/link : chess.com/leaderboard?/live?.

I clicked on the buttons that said : BLITZ ans GLOBAL.

The list for blitz-raiting on the site has 10 000 pages and are listing up 500 000 players that are members of Chess.com under the "banner" : BLITZ and GLOBAL.

The first approximately 3000 players have a rating OWER 2500.

Then you will finde approximatly 170 000 players having a rating OWER 1600.

And since the list ends at the player ranked as nr 500 000 we know that there

are appoximatly 330 000 players between 1200 and up to 1600 ratingpoints.

We also know that Chess.com have 100 000 000 million members TOTALY.

What is my need? Can some caring loving players help me out here?

Weeeel........

What is BLITZ?

As i understands it there are 2-to-types :

Type nr 1 : 3 min pr player and NO additional time pr move.

(There will then ONLY be 6 min TOTAL on the game. (" When the time is up, its up")

Type nr 2 : 3 min pr player WITH additional time pr move.

So what am i asking fore here then?

When i look at the site (the add/link ower) under BLITZ and GLOBAL :

IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT KINDE OF BLITZ IT IS.

So my question is this : What type of BLITZ is it?

Is it type 1 ore type 2.

Ore is it a amalgamation of the 2-to-types?

I realy hope to gett help here.

Regards from a little Chicken : )

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are 3 types of blitz on this site. 3 minute, 5 minute, and 3-2.

It my seems to me Sir that you did not understand my questions complete.

Under the leaderboard/live, as you can read above it says clearly (if you have used the link at Chess.com) :

BLITZ and GLOBAL. (Standings/ratingpoints)

So fare so good.

Butt what kinde (type)of BLITZ are they talking about in that leaderbord/livelink ?

Regards from a little Chicken : )

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7777777_xxxxxxx

Please tell me : )