is it normal to have no mistakes in 1300-1400?

hey there,

let me preface this i am a relatively new chess player, i play mainly Go, had an account here for a while and started playing more lately to get a better idea of the game.

I have never studied anything related to chess and know 0 about openings or any chess theory at all, i am in the 1300-1400 range playing exclusively 10 min games.

I pretty often play against people that make 0-1 innacuracies and 0 mistakes/blunders with accuracy in the 80s (mine is usually around 70s) and i lose in 20-30 moves.

is that a normal thing for this range?

I do often play while "working" or doing other stuff so i make some crazy mistakes and some lines seem obvious after the fact, but still keeping that level of accuracy for 20-30 moves sounds crazy to me.

usually when i see everything at 0 and accuracy in high 80s/90s i report for cheating because it seems crazy to me but since i have been meeting so many players like that i am starting to think that either i am the outlier with my mistakes and i should stop reporting or there is a lot of cheating and i honestly don't know which one is true.

Sorry if this is not the right place for this kind of questions

thanks, as long as 0 inaccuracies/mistakes/blunders are normal at my level with 20-30 moves then it's completely fine, that's all i wanted to hear

well i am talking mainly about the 0 inaccuracies/mistakes/blunders, i seem to remember that the accuracy was in the 80s but what was stricking me is the lack of any of those things or 1 inaccuracy at the most

Stop doing that immediately! 

Players in the 1300-1400 range do blunder often enough, but it's more than common to play games without mistakes or blunders.  Even much higher numbers are perfectly fine depending on circumstances. Even accuracies higher than 95% are not suspect unless there are other indicators present.

In fact, I dare to question your numbers. Games without blunders and mistakes, with 0-1 inaccuracies that are still at 80-90% accuracy must packed with excellent and good moves and very few best moves.  But I can't image you how that would imply cheating. Seriously, how can you suspect players that are 10-20% below perfect of cheating? 

hey, you sound pretty angry... sorry if i offended you? this is a beginner forum and i am asking this question because i don't know if i should stop or not, isn't that the goal of a beginner forum? to educate beginners and/or help them out learn and discuss beginner topics?

To answer your question about how can i even suspect that they are cheating:

I am a beginner that never studied anything and we are in the same range and I make plenty of inaccuracies/mistakes with the occasional blunder, I always thought that a beginner should never be close to "10-20% from perfect" with 0 inaccuracies/mistakes/blunders, but maybe that comes from playing Go and knowing how "far away" from perfect someone can be even at a more advanced level? maybe with chess is different and a lot easier to come close to perfect even for a beginner? (I am a 2d go player as a reference)

Also just to reiterate, my question is more around the 0-1 inaccuracies and 0 mistakes/blunders than accuracy, i only see that once a day (i don't pay for premium) so i wouldn't put too much focus on that.

if you are saying it's normal then it's cool, now i know... and thank you for your answer

1300-1400 is not really a begginer. It's intermediate. You're doing pretty well for somebody who never studied chess!
This is where most of the kids who has a chess coach and has been learning the game for 2-3 years probably lie.
80-90 is really common. 90-95 is good but very very possible. If their accuracy reaches 95+, you should check the game closely, check how much time they use for each move (if it's almost the same for each move, then they PROBABLY did cheat). 
No mistakes or anything isn't common, but it does happen once in a while. Sometimes, when I play bullet, where I'm premoving like 70% of the moves, I even have an accuracy of 80-90 occasionally with no mistakes/inaccuracies/blunders. (I'm 1600s in bullet, so not that good but even I in a 1+0 game can achieve that sort of accuracy)
If there is anything more you need me to clarify, feel free to ask. This is getting loooong so I'm gonna stop here.

Thanks for reading, peace out!

Why do you say this? hey, you sound pretty angry... sorry if i offended you?

I'm not personally offended in any way. I'm also not angry. But yes, I'm aggravated.  It bothers me that you are reporting players for no reason, that's why I urged you to stop doing that. I highlighted part of your post usually when i see everything at 0 and accuracy in high 80s/90s i report for cheating because it seems crazy to me , because I was addressing that.

You are perfectly welcome to ask questions on the beginners forum and I'm perfectly willing to support you. Your question was "I pretty often play against people that make 0-1 innacuracies and 0 mistakes/blunders with accuracy in the 80s (mine is usually around 70s) and i lose in 20-30 moves. is that a normal thing for this range?".  It's a legitimate question and there is nothing wrong with asking. If you had not reported players before knowing the answer, my tone would have been different. 

Like I said before, an accuracy of 80 to 90% means suboptimal play. Keep in mind that chess.com implemented a new way to calculate accuracy that is more generous, especially for lower rated players.  The previous version was more absolute, so a player could occasionally score around 0% if all decisions were the worst possible (these were very short games, obviously). Nowadays it's hard to score below 50%. The new accuracy is probably not comparable with the standards a Go player is used to.

One additional thing. You are playing at the 93-94 percentile, meaning that you are better than 93% of players on this site. That's pretty good.  You consider yourself a beginner, but play against more experienced players.  Their profile is different from yours. For example, they might be more able to play very accurate when openings follow the mina lines, while you might be better in random positions. 

Players that compete in official matches and tournaments are rated significantly higher than people that just create a profile online. No surprises here. You would get a similar result when you compare tennis players that compete in tournaments with the rest of the tennis population.

"To let people believe it's a normal thing to stay below thousand for longer than a year or two at most, is cruel, and deceitfull."

My tennis rating relative to the tennis playing population is comparable with a < 1000 rating on chess.com, I think. And I'm stuck at that rating for about 25 years. Is that also cruel and deceitful? Should I stop playing?  

And the chess players stuck below 1000, probably 75% of players. Should they quit? Or change the way they live their live so they can improve enough to meet FIDE standards? 

What do you mean with It says it all.?

It’s cheating not human 

it's not too unusual, even sub-900 i occasionally play 20+ moves above 80%. At 1300-1400 i don't see why it would be surprising.

This is extremely rare. Most people on chess.com are stuck mostly because they do nothing to get better. All they do is play speed chess for fun, making the same blunders every game.

That said, MelvinGarvey is talking a lot of nonsense. A player rated 1300 is very far away from a complete beginner.  They difference is roughly as great as between MarvinGarvey and Magnus Carlsen.

I'm not going to engage in the chess gatekeeping, i don't think anyone can benefit from that, hopefully we can all move on.

Going back to my question, i understanding now that accuracy is calculated differently in chess (or at least on this site) and i should expect high values in general, even tho it still feels crazy to me, for instance in the last game i played against a person at the same level (both around 1350) he played every move in 1-2s and finished the game with more than 9 minutes left and 85.5 accuracy, i spent like 7 min had 3 minutes left and around 74 accuracy... Playing so fast with such accuracy for 40 moves sounds insane to me, but i understand what you are all saying and i guess I'm just not gonna look at that anymore, thank you for clearing my mind

What about the 0-1 inaccuracies and 0 mistakes/blunders? Are those normal as well?

Also since someone was asking, i consider myself a beginner because I'm literally just playing 10 minutes games and just analyzing them after,  never watched a video or read about any openings or anything, i just wanna see at what level i plateau before i need to study at least a few openings, but i  guess playing Go at a more advanced level it helps?

Then you list a lot of anecdotal evidence that people can get to 1300 (and beyond) with a year (or more) of hard work. Unless they can't or won't.

I completely agree with that. However, it all supports what I wrote: "a player rated 1300 is very far away from a complete beginner."

It's quite out of the ordinary for a human player to make no mistakes, a mistake according to the computer analysis that is.

MelvinGarvey I'm going to be that guy and say that no one asked you to go off this tangent, for being a strong player that likes the art of chess so much you seem to lack the basic understanding of keeping the focus on the topic at hand and how to help in a beginner forum where people would love to get answers around what they are asking in order to understand the game better without having the discussion be derailed for pages.

if you could please open your own thread to preach the art of real chess on a real board i would appreciate it, i am sure you'll find like minded people that would love to discuss the topic with you.

I hope I'm not sounding arrogant by saying this because that's not my intention, no one owes anyone any answers, i just hope this is all about the community wanting to help each other and especially beginners in a forum like this

No, it is mostly offtopic ranting. And full of complete nonsense.

It's not about me liking or not liking what you wrote, it's about being on topic.

And about the 7h difference, we all live in different timezones and i am not 24/7 checking on this.

Thank you for understanding

This is becuse it's easier to sign up for chess.com once and only play every 3 months or so, whilst with FIDE, you usally need to already be good at chess and send a request in order to estabish a profile.