Premoves take time?
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I had checkmate premoved in my first and only blitz game and it timed me out, it seems like every premove still deducts about .1-.2 seconds off of my clock before it will play the move. Why is this? Is it intended?
That's just how chess.com premoves work. The other chess site doesn't have this problem though.
It's either they made it like this, or it is PING which is 0.1 ms at best.
Lichess doesn't have this problem though...
Apr 2, 2022
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Marcyful wrote:
That's just how chess.com premoves work. The other chess site doesn't have this problem though.
it isn't a problem. they are supposed to take 0.1 seconds.
On chess.com, you have unlimited premoves per game, but they take time off your clock so you cant stack them in the openings and waste no time
on liches, you only have one that doesn't take time off.
they even out, but if you are switching sites it will take some getting used to
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
If you could play unlimited premoves and they took no time off the clock, that would be insane. It would be really open to abuse and it would not be fun at all to play games where you both have <1 second on the clock and are making random premoves until someone loses by premoving something illegal.
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
Apr 3, 2022
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#10
I dont think you can move a peice and hit the clock with the same hand in 0.1 sec
Apr 3, 2022
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Gg2ezfriend wrote:
I had checkmate premoved in my first and only blitz game and it timed me out, it seems like every premove still deducts about .1-.2 seconds off of my clock before it will play the move. Why is this? Is it intended?
Yes it is intended. It was explained in a video a while back that it was because that was the fastest recorded time someone could move and hit the clock otb.
Apr 3, 2022
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btickler wrote:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
Starting from the time you touch the piece t when you hit the clock, if you hover one hand right on the clock and move the pawn one square, it seems doable.
Apr 3, 2022
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Uživatel B1ZMARK napsal:
btickler wrote:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
Starting from the time you touch the piece t when you hit the clock, if you hover one hand right on the clock and move the pawn one square, it seems doable.
Hmm.. If you are really very fast then maybe... very theoretically... but its really close to the limit..
Apr 3, 2022
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Uživatel btickler napsal:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
the reaction time is less if it's for things you expect and not something what you dont know when it will happen...
FoxWithNekoEars wrote:
Uživatel btickler napsal:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
the reaction time is less if it's for things you expect and not something what you dont know when it will happen...
"Expecting" and acting before your brain registers something is not reacting, it's just guessing.
Even for mental reaction to a visual stimuli to be detectable in your brain take about 120ms, never mind the physical reaction that must follow.
"Well, I think it should be like this from what I know about the world..." is not really an argument. Both your previous posts are pure conjecture.
B1ZMARK wrote:
btickler wrote:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
Starting from the time you touch the piece t when you hit the clock, if you hover one hand right on the clock and move the pawn one square, it seems doable.
It would also be super illegal. You can't use different hands for moving the piece and hitting the clock, you have to use the same hand.
Apr 4, 2022
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Uživatel btickler napsal:
FoxWithNekoEars wrote:
Uživatel btickler napsal:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
the reaction time is less if it's for things you expect and not something what you dont know when it will happen...
"Expecting" and acting before your brain registers something is not reacting, it's just guessing.
Even for mental reaction to a visual stimuli to be detectable in your brain take about 120ms, never mind the physical reaction that must follow.
"Well, I think it should be like this from what I know about the world..." is not really an argument. Both your previous posts are pure conjecture.
Expecting doesn't mean necessarily acting before you actually register something. It means that you prepare your senses for the expected thing And even that can shorten the reaction time a bit. But yeah I agree that this kind of expecting probably wouldn't be enough.
Anyway the rule is that you should move after your opponent press the clock.
Nobody cares if you did it because you guessed the right time or because you actually see it. Pressing a clock is a very predictable move. If people put a finger on the clock then wait half of a minute until you are stressed from the waiting and then they push it at a random moment, that would be the case when you can do it only in the reaction time + physical movment. But that's not how people act normally.
I personally have seen how someone pressed the clock three times with the one and the same second on the clock in a real game. Its not so hard to me imagine that with some perfect conditions and with a really fast person and some luck could be the 0.2 or a bit less doable...
And of course its only my conjecture, samely as its only your conjecture that its not possible.
Apr 4, 2022
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Uživatel magipi napsal:
B1ZMARK wrote:
btickler wrote:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
Starting from the time you touch the piece t when you hit the clock, if you hover one hand right on the clock and move the pawn one square, it seems doable.
It would also be super illegal. You can't use different hands for moving the piece and hitting the clock, you have to use the same hand.
Why the second hand?
If the clock is enough near you can push a pawn by a one square on h column by your thumb and press the clock by your little finger of the same hand at the same time.
FoxWithNekoEars wrote:
Uživatel magipi napsal:
B1ZMARK wrote:
btickler wrote:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
I think chess.com says 0.1 seconds is the fastest possible human move-time in over-the-board chess, so they made premoves take 0.1 seconds each. Perhaps it makes the flow of the game more realistic instead of a 0-second premove flagfest.
Average human reaction time is 0.3 seconds and then you have to actually physically move the piece...so, no.
Starting from the time you touch the piece t when you hit the clock, if you hover one hand right on the clock and move the pawn one square, it seems doable.
It would also be super illegal. You can't use different hands for moving the piece and hitting the clock, you have to use the same hand.
Why the second hand?
If the clock is enough near you can push a pawn by a one square on h column by your thumb and press the clock by your little finger of the same hand at the same time.
Nice. I did not think of that.
Although that would require the hand skills of a stage magician, I guess.
