Puzzle rating?

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oldretiredsailor

I like to play the puzzles since I am hoping it will help me to learn the game and recognize correct moves and play. It is much less stressful to me than the thought of playing a "live" player. I still get very anxious and nervous about playing since I am a beginner. I know that may seem silly, I'm hoping to work my way through it. Anyway, how in the world do these leaderboard puzzle players have ratings over 10,000? First place is a Russian with a 65,000 rating! It just doesn't seem possible!

Alramech
oldretiredsailor wrote:

I like to play the puzzles since I am hoping it will help me to learn the game and recognize correct moves and play. It is much less stressful to me than the thought of playing a "live" player. I still get very anxious and nervous about playing since I am a beginner. I know that may seem silly, I'm hoping to work my way through it. Anyway, how in the world do these leaderboard puzzle players have ratings over 10,000? First place is a Russian with a 65,000 rating! It just doesn't seem possible!

Remember that rating in Puzzle is different; you are guaranteed a minimum of 5 points for successful completion of a puzzle.  Now combine that with the fact that there are a relatively limited number of really high rated puzzles.  If a person dedicates the time, they can more or less memorize the pool of puzzles at that level and keep increasing their score.

danielzata

Thay not are rating, there are points.

oldretiredsailor

Yes, Points, not rating. I understand that part. It just doesn't seem possible to be able to memorize that many puzzles, or to solve that many, to amass tens of thousands of points. I struggle to stay above 1,000 right now. The puzzles naturally grow harder as your point level increases.

Alramech
oldretiredsailor wrote:

Yes, Points, not rating. I understand that part. It just doesn't seem possible to be able to memorize that many puzzles, or to solve that many, to amass tens of thousands of points. I struggle to stay above 1,000 right now. The puzzles naturally grow harder as your point level increases.

Well, keep in mind that once you cross a very high threshold of puzzle rating, the system will try to give almost all extremely hard puzzles.  And of these extremely hard puzzles, there is a much more limited number.

This was at least how it worked a couple years ago where one person who had an extremely high puzzle rating said he started using it as a memorization exercise and that's how he got an extremely high rating.  I assume that is what is still going on with the current leaders in the puzzles rating.

magipi
Alramech wrote:

I assume that is what is still going on with the current leaders in the puzzles rating.

There are some guys who are indeed doing this (for instance, those who hold the top scores in puzzle rush). But most of them are probably just using an engine.

jamesstack

I posted a thread similar to this on another thread.....I didnt realize that it wasnt a rating system but a point system instead. Im about to undertake a large tactical training project and am looking for something to measure my progress. My first thought was to use the chess.com tactical trainer but now Im not sure if I should. I would prefer to use something something that is rating based and also has a leaderboard. The chess24 tactical trainer was suggested and seems good. It has also been suggested I play some blitz games to measure my improvement in tactical skill. Any other thoughts?

jamesstack
Are you guys siure its a point system and not a rating system? On the chess.com FAQ page, its described as a rating system. https://support.chess.com/article/286-how-do-puzzles-work
jamesstack
magipi wrote:
Alramech wrote:

I assume that is what is still going on with the current leaders in the puzzles rating.

There are some guys who are indeed doing this (for instance, those who hold the top scores in puzzle rush). But most of them are probably just using an engine.

I thought engine use was against the rules.  https://support.chess.com/article/317-what-counts-as-cheating-on-chess-com

magipi

Engines are cheating, yes (also, what's the point?), but that does not mean that nobody is using them.