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Syylarr
I find myself just playing the London or Queens gambit. Should I start leaning kings pawn openings or is there another Queens pawn one that you'd recommend for below 1000 elo? thanks!
tygxc

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"I find myself just playing the London or Queens gambit." ++ Pick one, ditch the other.

"Should I start leaning kings pawn openings" ++ No. Each time you switch openings you lose more.

Compadre_J

King Pawn openings have more open board positions.

Open Board positions allow more tactical shots.

Tactical Shots is what a person learns when doing Tactical Puzzles.

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Due to the above logic, The rule of thumb is to have beginner play King Pawn positions because it correlates better with what they are doing.

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Queen Pawn Positions have more closed board positions.

The games are more positional in nature due to the center being filled with bunch of pawns.

Most beginners don’t train their positional abilities so those positions can be harder for them.

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If you had option of King pawn vs. Queen pawn, most would recommend King pawn due to the above reasons.

However, Chess Players have done both!

Some have played Queen Pawn and went on to improve and be successful.

Others have played King Pawn and went on to improve and be successful.

So at the end of the day, it really boils down to what you want to do.

Do you enjoy the lines which are played in the Kings Pawn opening?

MariasWhiteKnight

Err its no issue to have a closed position in kings pawn, or an open position with queens pawn.

whiteknight1968

Queens pawn should really be called Queens yawn openings since they often lead to tedious closed games

Gustaf_Dahlberg

Lots of people say : "Just play the London Bf4 and you can't lose". That should make a sound mind suspicious.

The same people say: "Don't play the Wayward queen as a beginner. It takes skill to handle". That skould also make a sound mind suspicious.

newbie4711

Try Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit. It is a Queen's Pawn Opening that leads to tactical positions.

Compadre_J

Forgive my ignorance, but I just want to know something.

Is the Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit really a Queen pawn opening? I have been under the impression it is a Kings Pawn opening played against the Caro Kann?

That’s the line right? Or am I confusing this?

KeSetoKaiba
Syylarr wrote:
I find myself just playing the London or Queens gambit. Should I start leaning kings pawn openings or is there another Queens pawn one that you'd recommend for below 1000 elo? thanks!

I recommend mixing up openings to experiment and see what you like and which openings you are more comfortable with. Your chess.com rapid rating is currently under 1000, so I'd make that your first big goal to work towards and this blog post on chess opening principles can help you get there: https://www.chess.com/blog/KeSetoKaiba/opening-principles-again

newbie4711
Compadre_J wrote:

Forgive my ignorance, but I just want to know something.

Is the Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit really a Queen pawn opening? I have been under the impression it is a Kings Pawn opening played against the Caro Kann?

That’s the line right? Or am I confusing this?

Your line is a Caro-Kann that transposes into a BDG. The "original" BDG occurs after 1. d4 d5 2. e4 (ECO code D00).

By definition, anything after 1. d4 d5 (without 2. c4) is a Queen's Pawn Opening.

Of course, it also shows how vague all the classifications (open, half-open, etc.) are.

Compadre_J
newbie4711 wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

Forgive my ignorance, but I just want to know something.

Is the Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit really a Queen pawn opening? I have been under the impression it is a Kings Pawn opening played against the Caro Kann?

That’s the line right? Or am I confusing this?

Your line is a Caro-Kann that transposes into a BDG. The "original" BDG occurs after 1. d4 d5 2. e4 (ECO code D00).

By definition, anything after 1. d4 d5 (without 2. c4) is a Queen's Pawn Opening.

Of course, it also shows how vague all the classifications (open, half-open, etc.) are.

Would you consider the below position as Queen Pawn Opening?

I would argue it isn’t a Queen Pawn Opening, but is a King Pawn Opening position.

Compadre_J

The reason I was asking about the Black-Diermer-Gambit is because I use to see it a lot.

A long time ago, when I was newer in chess, I use to play the Caro-Kan.

I had a chess friend who use to love Gambits!

He loved being Aggressive.

He would played 1.e4

If his opponent played 1…e5, He would play Evans Gambit.

if his opponent played 1…c5, He would play Smith Morra Gambit.

If his opponents played 1…c6(Similar to me), He would play line named Rasa-Studier Gambit.

Something like that - It was the name he told me

However, The tricky part is when I looked on Chess Opening Databases, they would say different name!

Some Databases would say Caro Kan - Rasa Gambit.

Some Databases would say Blackmar Diermer Gambit.

The above moves is how my friend would play it.

Sometimes, he would do a delay as well.

Me and my friend had tons of games from these 2 different lines.

It still seems like the database are confused about the line name.

It seems like the positions are very similar which is causing the database to intermingle the lines.

It’s funny because you see the above moves and few years ago.

The position would have Blackmar-Diermer Gambit as line name.

I didn’t take a picture of it. It would of been hilarious to show if I did.

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I can’t help, but to laugh 😂

Its really funny.

The OP title was Queen Pawn Opening suggestions.

Than post #7 said to play the BDG to have tactical positions in Queen Pawn opening!

I was like really? It’s been Queen pawn opening this whole time?

Hahahah - It keeps popping up in my Caro-Kan games.

It is pretty weird for sure.

It is interesting to find out though.

ChessMasteryOfficial

Trompowsky. Aggressive opening that involves an early fianchetto of the bishop and can lead to unbalanced positions with chances for both sides.

pcalugaru

I play the Colle (mainly the Koltanowski, but you have to know the Zuckertort when Black plays a Hybrid Grunfeld, or plays the Qc7 hyper accelerated e5 line.

Although I'm not sure this repertoire if for beginners. 

There is a lot of theory with 1.d4 2.Nf3 & 3.e3

Voids, the Nimzo. It Gives good lines against the Benoni Opening. Lot of flexibility in the QID (play the standard Koltanowski & push e4, or b4 or the Zuckertort and play c4 taking play into QID main lines) Against the Dutch, play lines with an early c4 and, fianchetto the dark square Bishop and attack the the queenside. (very solid lines for White) Against the KID .. you have a plethora of options (One of the main reason why I think the KID shouldn't be played by beginners) Personally, I play the French Bayonet attack (i.e. KIA vs French Defense in reverse ) get's Black out of their known repertoire... I also play this line against a stock Grunfeld .. This line still allows KID main lines and Grunfeld main lines as an option.

Anti-Colle's are not to be feared. Play the Slav Alekhine's e3, with Nh5 netting the bishop pair. (massive option in that main line and very popular with GMs currently) Throws most Anti-Colle players off their game when White is still attacking after they have played 1...d5 2...Nf6 3.. Bf5 or Bg4 with ...c6 and you can play the same lines against the Chigorin Defense. (again usually netting the Bishop pair)

If you take up the Colle repertoire something like the above is what you will have to build ...

MariasWhiteKnight
whiteknight1968 wrote:

Queens pawn should really be called Queens yawn openings since they often lead to tedious closed games

So far none of my queen's gambits have stayed close for long, if at all. Neither did my Caro-Kann games, for that matter.

People usually take the pawn and then its battle on.

Compadre_J
ChessMasteryOfficial wrote:

Trompowsky. Aggressive opening that involves an early fianchetto of the bishop and can lead to unbalanced positions with chances for both sides.

The Trompowsky doesn’t have a fianchetto?

Yao_Wang

I would recommend Pirc Defence, its a queens pawn opening that is defences and I enjoy it

borovicka75
Dear mr. Syylarr, do you really enjoy playing London? Putting pieces to same squares against anything without tninking? This is not the way to become good chess player. Every intermediate player should play e4 e5 openings and study games of old masters, especially Paul Morphy. No great player of the past played London as an intermediate playet