When does the endgame begin?

Title says it all: when does the endgame begin and the middle game end? I’ve often used the syllogism “when one side has fifteen or less points* on the board,” but what are you’re thoughts?

*points being the generic queen=9, Rook=5, bishops/knights=3, and pawns=1.

I'd have to say the endgame begins when endgame strategy comes into play.

There are 3 main groups of strategy: opening strategy, middlegame strategy, endgame strategy. Throughout the game certain positions allow for a certain percentage of each of the three groups of strategy. For example, the opening will have >70% opening strategy, <50% middlegame strategy, and <20% endgame strategy. Looking at those numbers, we know it's the opening. The same will apply with endgame.

If you include pawns in the definition that implies an endgame can lead into a middlegame.

Also your definition would mean that a lot of EGTBs should be called something other than EGTBs.

The endgame does not have a definite position it can come before the middle game sometimes for example scholars mate and fool s mate

The best definition of the endgame is the last part of the game

No it isn't I drew my definition from other sources

A book

@wsama +1. I hadn't thought of it like that. Interesting.