Why almost 50% try to play scholar's mate against me?

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Jus43si

I know if i am not awake it is good tactic but  after scramble at begin game will be really  not fun for both sides.

justbefair

All you have to do is start beating it regularly and your rating will rise to a level where you won't even remember the last time somebody played it against you.

AbbyTheButcher

I agree with @justbefair , but  I'm actual curious about this too. Why do so many insist on playing Scholar's mate/Wayward Queen? It doesn't get you very far because once you're past 600 ELO, almost everyone you face knows how to reverse it, so there's no long term benefit. When you are solely playing lower elos it ends games ridiculously quickly which doesn't make for a fun or competitive game for either side, and it just kinda seems cheap. Why exactly do so many play it to begin with? 

AbbyTheButcher

And on that note, I'm aware that a game can still continue at a higher ELO if the queen attack has been pushed back/refuted, but these same players who fall back on these openings are the same who'll resign as soon as you punish their attack. 

ChocolateIsCool2022

I played a game where the scholar's mater lost their queen at about move 6

mercatorproject

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/master/14604311?tab=review

As played by a recent World Champion.

tygxc

@6
In blitz one can play anything.

mercatorproject

Did you analyse the game?

mana_addict

I just lost to this I think yesterday and it was embarassing, I played all the right moves and my dumb brain didn't take the free queen with the knight I've been playing too much zzz

wakuvvaku

It's an opening that only beginners play. At the same time beginners learn nothing from it when learning should be the main goal not ratings. Unfortunately beginner teaching material often starts with teaching you the scholar mate. At least the chess.com lessons do.

Chuck639
wakuvvaku wrote:

It's an opening that only beginners play. At the same time beginners learn nothing from it when learning should be the main goal not ratings. Unfortunately beginner teaching material often starts with teaching you the scholar mate. At least the chess.com lessons do.

I still see it at 1400-1800 level and regardless, I nullify it and take the easy win.

eric0022
wakuvvaku wrote:

It's an opening that only beginners play. At the same time beginners learn nothing from it when learning should be the main goal not ratings. Unfortunately beginner teaching material often starts with teaching you the scholar mate. At least the chess.com lessons do.

 

From time to time I attempt such openings on unsuspecting players.

eric0022
tygxc wrote:

@6
In blitz one can play anything.

 

But didn't you mention in another thread, something along the lines of "1. g4 loses the game for White by force"?

mercatorproject

I took some displeasure as the remark followed a post of mine, but my kindlier interpretation of it was that you can get away with some play in the shorter forms like blitz, because they take thought to refute. I have lost to the Scholar's Mate on occasion in blitz  for the simple reason that someone who has studied it amd prepared for has a few cunning moves that require you to find a new trick which takes a while to figure, which you cannot do in the time available.

If you think about it, its only drawback is that it loses tempos, it does not lose material. The refutation requires using  time, such an essential resource in blitz. 10 seconds thought can lose you the game.

I_will_resign18

Schoalars mate is played against beginners if any have a rating less that 800 many people try Schoalars mate but it never works even a 200 rated player knows the tactic

magipi

An example of what happens when an opponent plays for the scholar's mate against the OP:

A quick summary: black (our hero) defends against the mate threat, but then blunders a piece immediately, white does not take it, black insists on blundering the piece, then he blunders another piece, then he blunders mate. All in just 12 moves.

Moral of the story: openings don't matter at all (at this level, anyway). Blunders matter a lot.

Jimemy

Because new players like to win fast. And it is a very aggressive opening that demands precise play from the opponent. The opening also goes beyond the scholar mate.

CrusaderKing1

Scholars mate is generally very bad. You shouldnt even have to think about how to defend it. 

But as said before, get your rating to 900 and most people don't try it unless its bullet., then get to 1100 in that lol.

 

Jus43si

I came up from 600 to about  896 (now going down) using e6 move to automaticly defend of scholars mate but lately i have been sloppy and used  e5 so i have to play against it again. I like to loose games that look better even if i lost them really badly.

 

 

llama36
magipi wrote:

An example of what happens when an opponent plays for the scholar's mate against the OP:

A quick summary: black (our hero) defends against the mate threat, but then blunders a piece immediately, white does not take it, black insists on blundering the piece, then he blunders another piece, then he blunders mate. All in just 12 moves.

Moral of the story: openings don't matter at all (at this level, anyway). Blunders matter a lot.

5...Bb4 played after 13 seconds of thought...

With moves like that, knowing names of openings (even scholar's mate) is pointless.