Analyze my games with bots?

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aerolynn

I started playing chess seriously about last week, mainly against bots because I get very anxious with real players. At first I made considerable number of blunders, resigning several times after losing hanging pieces. However after a few games as I ceased to make so many mistakes, my accuracy score went up quickly and defeated 1000+ rated bots 6 times in a row.

My question is, since I found this rather easy, do you think rating of bots on chess.com is inflated when compared to real players? If it is, to what extent? I'd like to know about my true level.

If you don't mind, please look at some of the games:

https://www.chess.com/live/game/5432595155

https://www.chess.com/live/game/5432152253

https://www.chess.com/live/game/5431595440

Thank you.

aerolynn
ajl721 wrote:

But you need to start playing with players. That's how you learn best from chess. The bots on chess.com may try to be human, but they aren't in reality. It's a fear you need to subside.

Yes, for sure. I just intend to gain more experience before playing with actual players...

aerolynn
ajl721 wrote:

How do you plan to gain experience by playing with bots who are controlled to play bad moves on purpose? Learn some strategies and opening principles online and then use those skills with actual human players.

Thank you for your advice.

I just played against a real player and it felt different indeed, though I could not explain how.

m_connors

The problem with playing against computers at lower levels is that they often make silly mistakes at random (due to their programming) that a human opponent would seldom make. It can help you learn to move pieces and try tactics; however, playing "real" opponents should give you a better feel for the game.

Whenever you play against a computer (well anyone really) be sure to analyze the game to see just how badly the computer moved in certain situations, otherwise, you may fall into some bad habits. Good luck. happy.png

aerolynn
m_connors wrote:

The problem with playing against computers at lower levels is that they often make silly mistakes at random (due to their programming) that a human opponent would seldom make. It can help you learn to move pieces and try tactics; however, playing "real" opponents should give you a better feel for the game.

Whenever you play against a computer (well anyone really) be sure to analyze the game to see just how badly the computer moved in certain situations, otherwise, you may fall into some bad habits. Good luck.

Yes. I feel like computers generally play at a certain level in a very consistent way, and then suddenly make a blunder or a really bad mistake, which does make them seem unnatural. Human players' performance fluctuates in a reasonable range.

Thank you for your advice happy.png.

Boliviandefense

I am a 400 player who plays 1600 bots and does pretty good. I play the CPU bot instead of the Isabel personality now. The random mistakes they make are just not like humans. I fail to see things. They see them but then apply randomness. I think the algorithm is as follows:

some % play best move

some % play 2nd best

some % play 3rd best etc.

if they randomly decide to do something else, I have found they tend to take one of the moves above and then randomly transpose one of the Pln (piece letter number). So Qb7 becomes a b7 move which makes no sense and no human would move. Humans make dumb moves, but not without any purpose or thought. So some of these are almost benign. Another would be Qb7 instead of Qd7. Or Ra7 instead of Ra8. They seem to filter out the brain dead moves like “here’s my queen, please take it pawn, for no reason.” It must be hard to have near perfect analysis and then decide when and how to move inaccurately. I don’t think it decides to blunder or make a mistake or inaccuracy - I think those are just the effects of the random wrong move. This a 1600 bot can play 20% accuracy with 60% best moves. Now the personalities are biased towards certain pieces, aggressiveness, and openings. That is a “humanization” that becomes easy to beat after you learn how to play it. These biases are another kind of inaccuracy algorithm where the “perfect” information may become imperfect (if the position evaluation algorithm is tweaked to favor bishops over knights, check a lot, etc.). Those errors are more human to me. The CPU bot - I never know what it will do!

 

 

Boliviandefense

Oh, yes, sorry. I have also noticed that the computer will evaluate a move best 3 times in a row. Then the bot will make that move after it no longer makes sense. Like it keeps a record of ‘ I should have done this’ and does it too late. The inaccuracy algorithm may have a memory in this sense, unlike traditional evaluation engines.

AlumnoJuan

Is it just me or is the 250 bot-- "Martin" amazingly challenging to take down on Challenge mode?

Because I'm getting my a** kicked over here.

Edit: Try & Takedown "Martin" on Challenge mode.

(I can't even take him down, I've tried countless strategies, all the same result, defeat..)

Boliviandefense

alumnojuan is trying to be funny or has confused his bot names. I never even tried Martin because he is the worst bot. I just did for kicks. No strategy or plan, just brought the queen out on 2nd move and took all his pieces one after another.

AlumnoJuan

Wait Martin? Ohh- that bot. I can't believe I thought there was another harder bot called "Martin" 

 

AlumnoJuan

Man I meant 2500 not 250 I should've edited that message.

Now I feel like a novice.

vdiddy78

You can adjust the bots!

The "adaptive" bots play at your level.

If you make a bad move, they make a bad move. Etc.

I too have the same question - where is the "Analysis" option vs computer cause im a noob and just had a surprisingly epic game with non adaptive bot.

 

Like it actually took time for it to move instead of the lightening speed move them make!

Please dont be so harsh on folks wbo vulnerably admit they are nervous when learning  chess.

Remmwber this is histoeically and still is a "classist“ game. Low income, especially communities of color,  had neither access or resources to engage in chess. 

I can see a faction attemoting to chabge that happy.png 

Cause ive definitely encountered more douches with a false sense of bravado on here 👎🏽

 

 

 

 

Cook1e_Bear

I am a bot ok but  I am a very good bot a bot that can checkmate you in one move if I wanted to so don't mess with bob the bot

vandorenedword

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