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chessmike777

Scarblac

Very nice!

Dinamo

Why would black make those moves, and not rather just take the rook at first? It would be great if you could explain both sides' ideas.

 

Thanx!

Scarblac

In that case, White draws as well. Try to find out why yourself :-)

davej123

If black takes the rook first then Ne4+ and Ne2 stops the pawn from promoting.

texaspete

I guess the reasoning is something like this:

Firstly, white's knight needs to be denied access to f3, where it prevents the g-pawn from queening. This means the rook is safe on e6 and can't be taken.

Secondly, white's f-pawn cannot be allowed to move with check (which will happen if the rook on e5 is taken). If it is, white's king will move to f2 and snap up the g-pawn next move. This saves the rook second time too.

Atinau

I think the all diagram is wrong. there should be no bishop, if there is one, it is black game. plenty of options for black to win. all the coments ignored the bishop.

for example: 1. Re6+ ...Kxe6 2.Nd4+ Ke5 3. Nf3+ ...Ke4 4.Ng1 ...Bc5 and there is no way white can stop the pawn or defend his knight.

texaspete

atinau - why is that - fancy putting it into analysis?

After 1. Re6 Kxe6 2. Nd4+ Ke5 3. Nf3+ Ke4 4. Ng1 Bc5, white can move Ke2, after which black can do nothing to prevent the draw from the knight cycling between g1 and f3.

One try for black could be Bd6, but it won't work, as white (unless playing stupidly) will be able to move the f-pawn out to get at the g-pawn eventually

asvn15

This is very good! well done! but black could have won, if he took the rook instead of the knight, then he could make a Q+

xMenace
asvn15 wrote:

This is very good! well done! but black could have won, if he took the rook instead of the knight, then he could make a Q+


 Show your proof please. texaspete showed otherwise.

texaspete

The only conceivable way would be for black to get the bishop onto d6 with his king on f4. Still doesn't work.

Basically black has the major problem that as soon as the f-pawn is allowed to move out, the g-pawn is lost, so there's no time to build an attack

 

BTW I haven't run this through a computer. May be an idea?

chessmike777
Dinamo wrote:

Why would black make those moves, and not rather just take the rook at first? It would be great if you could explain both sides' ideas.

 

Thanx!


if   1... Kxe6 then   2. Nd4+ Kd5 3. Nf3 Ke4 4. Ke2! DRAW

all variations are in the move list.

chessmike777
Atinau wrote:

I think the all diagram is wrong. there should be no bishop, if there is one, it is black game. plenty of options for black to win. all the coments ignored the bishop.

for example: 1. Re6+ ...Kxe6 2.Nd4+ Ke5 3. Nf3+ ...Ke4 4.Ng1 ...Bc5 and there is no way white can stop the pawn or defend his knight.


 why should white play Ng1, when there is Kg2! defending the Knight?

4.Ke2! Bd6 5.Ng1 Bh2 6.f3+ Kf4 7.Kf2 Bxg1+ 8.Kxg2! Ba7=

 

 

shakje

 Why not this?

 

 or this?

letzgokill

theres no way to get the king out of the promotion square

bondiggity

shakje, both of your ending diagrams are draws. K + Bishop of wrong color + h-pawn is a draw. Black has no way to get white out of the way of promotion.

chessmike777

this analysis was already run by the computer Fritz, and also a draw.

BTW if instead white moves to 3. Ne2??, white loses.

1.Re6+ Kxe6 2.Nd4+ Kd5 3.Ne2 Ke4 4.Ng1 Kd3 5.Ne2 Bb4+ 6.Kd1 Bd6 7.Ng1 Bh2 8.Nf3 Ke4 9.Ke2 Kf4 0–1

 

 

 

 

 

 

shakje
bondiggity wrote:

shakje, both of your ending diagrams are draws. K + Bishop of wrong color + h-pawn is a draw. Black has no way to get white out of the way of promotion.


Yes, I put it down to tiredness, as I was cleaning my teeth for bed I realised how silly I'd been! :)