Brilliant Moves in New Game Analysis Report

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hikarunaku

An engine wouldn't be an engine if it could not find the best moves by itself. 

Numquam
hikarunaku schreef:

An engine wouldn't be an engine if it could not find the best moves by itself. 

The reliability of the engine depends on the depth. Also the engine evaluation of a specific move is better after the move is played. So it is more likely that it is implemented as I said, because that is the best way to do it.

hikarunaku

Both ways could be used to implement it, only chess.com developers can explain what algorithm they use.

 

hikarunaku
endgame347 wrote:
Snowcrashed wrote:
  • Jalaal, you’ve been very gracious in your responses to Hikarunaku (which I don’t think is deserved).  Yours was the best answer on this thread IMO, and his responses don’t make sense.   At minimum, he’s confused and discourteous, my guess is that he’s just garden variety troll.

LOL LMFHO 

Doesn't take much to make you laugh.😄

hikarunaku

Just a few trolls seeking attention without making any useful contributions. 

hikarunaku

Have a good day, pal. I cannot give my attention to useless things/people.

woton

I'm not sure that there is any significance to the computer determination of a brilliant move.  My latest "brilliant" move was a move that is standard in one variation of the Italian Game.  I was playing a different opening at the time, so I guess that the computer program didn't detect that it was essentially a book move.

Toire
TheSultan31003 wrote:

I'm wondering if it is possible to have one thread where the members posting aren't going at each other and derailing the thread?

It is possible, but very rare these days, unfortunately; the Forum used to be moderated, which helped.

Toire
DeirdreSkye wrote:

  

    The whole thing is just a commercial trick to attract more customers. Good players don't need it , they very well know after the game if they played good or bad.

This...

 

a commercial gimmick.

Pawntius_Pilate

I thought they said the same thing in two different brilliant ways.  My brain did not see this foresee this therefore both brilliant lol.  But it seems to me it's only brilliant to the engine because it didn't have it predicted. When I made a brilliant move it didn't seem significant at all especially in comparison to some moves I've seen in the best chess games ever played. Please correct me if I'm confused.. 😔

MaxLange-simulator
marcox123 wrote:

I also don't know what's the difference between the best and brilliant move.  I also can't think what's better between them.

I think this move was considered brilliant because of the tactic involved. At first glance, it feels like If Qe2 is played, black may play g4 which will trap the bishop but the tactics can be seen by people who are well trained /have good tactical vision which is above average. If g4 is played, then white can sacrifice the bishop by Bxg4 and after the recapture, white will give a check forking the king and the rook. Beginner or advanced beginner players usually miss this type of simple tactic in a game. Whether the tactic is simple or not is completely dependent on the strength of the player.              

hikarunaku
gironimo6 wrote:

I thought they said the same thing in two different brilliant ways.  My brain did not see this foresee this therefore both brilliant lol.  But it seems to me it's only brilliant to the engine because it didn't have it predicted. When I made a brilliant move it didn't seem significant at all especially in comparison to some moves I've seen in the best chess games ever played. Please correct me if I'm confused.. 😔

If a move is classified as brilliant, it only means that the engine did not see it as the best move until a certain depth was reached. It is actually not very significant for human play,more like a commercial gimmick as @toire said. 

woton

Just remember that a computer is only capable of adding 0 and 1 (I've been told that in the early days, a mechanical switch was either open or closed).  A human has to write the instructions.  Whether a move is brilliant is subjective, and it appears that the criteria in the Chess.com programming are fairly lax.

JalaalSuify
gironimo6 wrote:

I thought they said the same thing in two different brilliant ways.  My brain did not see this foresee this therefore both brilliant lol.  But it seems to me it's only brilliant to the engine because it didn't have it predicted. When I made a brilliant move it didn't seem significant at all especially in comparison to some moves I've seen in the best chess games ever played. Please correct me if I'm confused.. 😔

 

@endgame347 you understood correctly.

Don't be confused by the fact that the brilliant move does not show to you as "brilliant" because the whole point is that it will prove so after so many moves (supposing these moves will follow through).

@MaxLange-simulator,

This is not what a brilliant move is. If it was, the machine would've suggested it, but it never does. A move is acknowledged as brilliant only after it is played by the human player.

JalaalSuify
woton wrote:

Just remember that a computer is only capable of adding 0 and 1 (I've been told that in the early days, a mechanical switch was either open or closed).  A human has to write the instructions.  Whether a move is brilliant is subjective, and it appears that the criteria in the Chess.com programming are fairly lax.

@woton,

Chess algorithm is classified as a "2-player cost-based search" algorithm. It is a typical AI lesson.

Cost must be very well-defined and evaluates numerically. Cost is the one thing that suggests a move more than another. Don't take the term "Cost" strictly. In chess it is "gain/cost" spectrum. Chess algorithm would evaluate a move to be better if it has a better gain or less damage. Apparently, if you played so many games, you will never see "Brilliant" except for the "gaining" possibilities.

INnnnnnoVation

Thanks for these brilliant answers everyone. Came to the thread confused by my own 'brilliant' moves. I am not going to be able to make any more meaningful contributions to this thread so read no further.

 

I rate @hikarunaku's trolling power at level 1. Clearly you can troll better than that.

Harika_Ismail
hikarunaku wrote:

Brilliant move is the best move which the engine can find only after certain depth is reached. So it is difficult to find for the engine. 

 

Does that mean that in a chess game most of the best moves are easy to find? This again means that playing a perfect game is pretty easy since the best moves are easy? 

INnnnnnoVation
DaddyReza wrote:
INnnnnnoVation wrote:

Thanks for these brilliant answers everyone. Came to the thread confused by my own 'brilliant' moves. I am not going to be able to make any more meaningful contributions to this thread so read no further.

 

I rate @hikarunaku's trolling power at level 1. Clearly you can troll better than that.

When was he trolling you dumb troll. 

Perhaps try reading my statement again.

Attack_AlwaysAttack

Move 18 was the brilliant move yet I failed to capitalize....

NewHorizonsSyndrome

I had a Brilliant move in my game with Nd5, but diddn't find correct followup

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/3981879352?tab=report