Bringing the Queen out early should be Punished!

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ChrisPugh

I would say that bringing our the Queen early is exciting because it gives me the chance to develop my pieces while threatening the opponents Queen over and over again.

To have fun though, I might bring my Queen early and say "Cat-Fight!"

Kernicterus
ChrisPugh wrote:

To have fun though, I might bring my Queen early and say "Cat-Fight!"


yeah, don't let that acerbic wit go to waste.  and thanks for correcting my misspelling, kitty cat.  :)

ChrisPugh

Did you mean a-c-e-r-b-i-c?

musiclife

I haven't read all the comments here.  I'm also currently at my max of 2300 here on chess.com (mentioned to give credibility).  But I've brought out my queen into the center early plenty of times, and drawn or won against higher rated opponents.  Of course I'm in the 'show-me' school of chess playing.  That is, you've got to show me over the board that you can beat the move.  The queen in the center controls a lot too, and needs to be weighed against the counter-attacking options of the opponent.  If people are nice, I'll post a recent game of mine that as black has my queen out in the center early.  I've not posted or know how though, so I could use help/suggestions on that.  Cheers!

grolich
ilikeflags wrote:

Qe3 seems like a terrible blunder.  but you are rated 300 points higher.  no need to pat your self all over the back for beating somebody rated 300 points lower than you.  it wouldn't surprise me if your oopnent didn't play his queen out early as a result of the significant difference in ratings.


4.Qe3 is actually an acceptable and respectable move. Played many times in the center game. The position is considered as just equal. Nothing special.

 

It shouldn't lose even the slightest bit of ground to black. It is later that white made his mistakes:

5.Be2 seems strange and slow and is already enough to allow some minor problems. The reason why taking the queen out like this is ok is only revealed if you play according to the normla plan in this opening: first, take your knights out in order to not get swarmed in the center and then castle long.

Fast development and if black castles short you may have an easy attack (may... you don't really have any advantage).

5...b6 doesn't seem to try to punish white at all for now... so white avoids even the minor difficulties he should have faced after the half developing move Be2.

 

6.c3? seems like a real big error. No more minor difficulties, now the black pieces all swarm over. White has shown that development is not interesting at all, in his perception of chess. (Q out early, then Be2 (not really developing), and now c3)...

Black has the (pretty big, in my opinion) advantage.

 

9.Qxg7 is commiting suicide.

White should just try to catch up in development with 9.Nf3 Ng6 even though black already has a clearly better position.

 

After 9.Qxg7, white is just lost.

 

Nice little game.

grolich

Giving up the queen with 16.Kxf2 led to forced mate, 16.Bxe3 is probably better.

 


Ehm... 16.Bxe3 Qxg2#

Doesn't even last one move longer:)

musiclife
grolich wrote:

Giving up the queen with 16.Kxf2 led to forced mate, 16.Bxe3 is probably better.

 


Ehm... 16.Bxe3 Qxg2#

Doesn't even last one move longer:)


16. Bxe3 Qxg2?? 17. Kxg2!  The Knight on e3 is no longer protecting the g2 square.

grolich
musiclife wrote:
grolich wrote:

Giving up the queen with 16.Kxf2 led to forced mate, 16.Bxe3 is probably better.

 


Ehm... 16.Bxe3 Qxg2#

Doesn't even last one move longer:)


16. Bxe3 Qxg2?? 17. Kxg2!  The Knight on e3 is no longer protecting the g2 square.


Heh playing illegal moves is not my style:)

16.Bxe3 Qxg2# (Kxg2 would be possible only if you told your opponent "look behind you" and removed the g8 rook without him noticing...who needs the knight?)

musiclife
grolich wrote:
musiclife wrote:
grolich wrote:

Giving up the queen with 16.Kxf2 led to forced mate, 16.Bxe3 is probably better.

 


Ehm... 16.Bxe3 Qxg2#

Doesn't even last one move longer:)


16. Bxe3 Qxg2?? 17. Kxg2!  The Knight on e3 is no longer protecting the g2 square.


Heh playing illegal moves is not my style:)

16.Bxe3 Qxg2# (Kxg2 would be possible only if you told your opponent "look behind you" and removed the g8 rook without him noticing...who needs the knight?)


Oi!  Can't believe I didn't see that but the king still has the E1 square to retreat to, although after 16. Bxe3 Qxg2+ 17. Ke1 Qxh1 18. Kd2 (not mate still and I don't see a quick forced one either); but black is handily winning.  It's still not mate though.

grolich
musiclife wrote:
grolich wrote:
musiclife wrote:
grolich wrote:

Giving up the queen with 16.Kxf2 led to forced mate, 16.Bxe3 is probably better.

 


Ehm... 16.Bxe3 Qxg2#

Doesn't even last one move longer:)


16. Bxe3 Qxg2?? 17. Kxg2!  The Knight on e3 is no longer protecting the g2 square.


Heh playing illegal moves is not my style:)

16.Bxe3 Qxg2# (Kxg2 would be possible only if you told your opponent "look behind you" and removed the g8 rook without him noticing...who needs the knight?)


Oi!  Can't believe I didn't see that but the king still has the E1 square to retreat to, although after 16. Bxe3 Qxg2+ 17. Ke1 Qxh1 18. Kd2 (not mate still and I don't see a quick forced one either); but black is handily winning.  It's still not mate though.


Heh, I have to be picky for just a while longer, since I have a special thing against illegal moves:)

The whole point of your suggested 16.Bxe3 was instead of the other sixteenth move that was played which led to a forced loss(Kxf2)...

16.Bxe3 means that there is still a bishop on f2...so no e1 square. I must insist that 16.Bxe3 Qxg2# is the end:)

(and of course the played 16.Kxf2 leads to a forced mate as in the game, so it's over)

musiclife
grolich wrote:
musiclife wrote:
grolich wrote:
musiclife wrote:
grolich wrote:

Giving up the queen with 16.Kxf2 led to forced mate, 16.Bxe3 is probably better.

 


Ehm... 16.Bxe3 Qxg2#

Doesn't even last one move longer:)


16. Bxe3 Qxg2?? 17. Kxg2!  The Knight on e3 is no longer protecting the g2 square.


Heh playing illegal moves is not my style:)

16.Bxe3 Qxg2# (Kxg2 would be possible only if you told your opponent "look behind you" and removed the g8 rook without him noticing...who needs the knight?)


Oi!  Can't believe I didn't see that but the king still has the E1 square to retreat to, although after 16. Bxe3 Qxg2+ 17. Ke1 Qxh1 18. Kd2 (not mate still and I don't see a quick forced one either); but black is handily winning.  It's still not mate though.


Heh, I have to be picky for just a while longer, since I have a special thing against illegal moves:)

The whole point of your suggested 16.Bxe3 was instead of the other sixteenth move that was played which led to a forced loss(Kxf2)...

16.Bxe3 means that there is still a bishop on f2...so no e1 square. I must insist that 16.Bxe3 Qxg2# is the end:)

(and of course the played 16.Kxf2 leads to a forced mate as in the game, so it's over)


ok, I'm silenced! :) I only looked at the board at move 16, not before...silly me!

grolich

Heh ok, I'm just a picky one... :) sorry about that

musiclife
grolich wrote:

Heh ok, I'm just a picky one... :) sorry about that


heh, you're picky?  I'm the one that found pickings where there wasn't even anything there.  I'm that bad.  And what are you sorry about?  Be sorry when you're an a-hole, or make a mistake, but not when you make valid points, help me see the blindness in which I was enshrouded and are downright courteous when I'm blind.  And I'm 300 pts higher than you in online chess.  Well done!  You clearly already know that to win at chess you must persevere through whatever BS your opponent tries to pull.  Cheers!