Daily Chess = CHEAT?

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talliholic

Let's say you are in a club match daily, and then you are in a position where you feel stuck, 

Can't you just use the analysis board to cheat?? the game takes long so people don't know.

Is there a solution to this because I feel this is unfair and every club match is just a lot of cheaters using the analysis board to make the best moves. 

Is there already a solution to this or not??           

seanziminggao

? What do you mean there is a analysis board?

talliholic

In the "Learn" section there is the "Analysis board" option and you can click there and make any position and make report. Then, the cheater puts the current position and runs report and keeps making the suggested moves and oponent's moves and he can even put the max 30 depth to be more pricise because he has lots of time...

seanziminggao

Then thats like cheating in live chess. You use help. But chess.com can figure that out I think

Martin_Stahl
talliholic wrote:

In the "Learn" section there is the "Analysis board" option and you can click there and make any position and make report. Then, the cheater puts the current position and runs report and keeps making the suggested moves and oponent's moves and he can even put the max 30 depth to be more pricise because he has lots of time...

 

You have an analysis option directly on Daily games. You can use that but you can't get help from engines.

https://support.chess.com/article/648-what-do-i-need-to-know-about-fair-play-on-chess-com

Kuyadige2

Yes, it is very easy for chess.com to determine if you are cheating that way.  You could try, but you would likely get banned later that day, or within a week or two at the latest.

seanziminggao

yup

LeiJChess

I had the same suspicions long ago as well, but the same fair play checks apply, so it would be the same difference if someone cheated in any other time control. 

talliholic
Martin_Stahl wrote:
talliholic wrote:

In the "Learn" section there is the "Analysis board" option and you can click there and make any position and make report. Then, the cheater puts the current position and runs report and keeps making the suggested moves and oponent's moves and he can even put the max 30 depth to be more pricise because he has lots of time...

 

You have an analysis option directly on Daily games. You can use that but you can't get help from engines.

https://support.chess.com/article/648-what-do-i-need-to-know-about-fair-play-on-chess-com

what I mean is the this one

in a new tab the analysis and there u go the cheaters ready to do their stuff sad.png

JackRoach

Yeah. Cheating is easy, but you will get caught probably. I don't cheat, as I don't want my account closed. But others don't care about improving in chess, only beating others, and don't have any respect for their account.

talliholic

ok I think that's the solution then, Cheat = lost account

But I do think there should be something like if u try to go there while playing, then a message appears saying "hold on, you are currently in a game, you won't be able to use this option until you finish your game." That way engines won't be availble for people currently playing

JackRoach

It is perfectly fine to use opening explorer during daily games, but you can't use engines.

talliholic

yeah I know that's why people should study instead of cheat just like in real life exams of school and a very important life moral.

nklristic
talliholic wrote:

ok I think that's the solution then, Cheat = lost account

But I do think there should be something like if u try to go there while playing, then a message appears saying "hold on, you are currently in a game, you won't be able to use this option until you finish your game." That way engines won't be availble for people currently playing

No point, because a person that wants to cheat will most likely use some outside tool. They do it for live games as well, so there is no difference between live games and daily games in that regard.

jonnin

its understood that you can move the pieces around to what-if.  This is not cheating; it is a tool provided to both sides.  You are also allowed to use the opening books.  You cannot use an engine or another person to advise you, but both sides are allowed these things as well as a huge amount of thinking time.   

You can read the site's rules on what is allowed in daily games and what is not.  Its not that hard to understand.  Yes, some people probably do cheat at it.  

llama47

Yeah, engines are free, and even if you don't want to download one, you can have access to engines on other websites just like on chess.com... so blocking the one on chess.com wouldn't do anything.

The way they prevent it is if you play engine moves your account is banned.

But yes, it's obviously very easy to cheat when the time control is very long.

Powerish

If it means that much to you then you could have two accounts and play one and run the analysis on the other.  If you used two different programs/ apps/ sites there is nothing they could do.   But then you will quickly get the rating of the bot you are using to cheat and end up in games where you either have to cheat or lose.   Doesn't seem worth it to me. 

MJBunce

I don't understand why people cheat anyway. Even if they don't get caught, the cheater still knows he/she didn't accomplish anything, so how is it satisfying? Just a waste of time.

Elim311

I don't know if it's the same with people, but in analysis you can change the name rating and all for bots. You can also make it so that you win there, but this isn't the best strategy because you won't get the credit. Cheating like that is just a waste of time.


 

vapidtex

I have the same questions as MJBunce, If you win a game of chess while cheating how would you feel joy winning? There is no cash prize or any prize at all. There is only a rank that you will loose if you get it unfairly. If you try to get better at chess then what I do it play bots with 3 crowns then move up to the next. The only prize you get from cheating is dishonesty. 

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