First Win with Bad Play

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Quizara

Hi, I am farily new to this site. I played my first game here and I was hoping someone, anyone could possibly help me with my game analysis. I played the black-side and I managed to win. The game is King's Pawn Opening versus Scandinavian Defense, which my opponent declined. Is declining the Scandinavian Defense the best way to respond to the defense by white? Just curious. Thanks.

 

Thanks!

I'm glad I joined this site. It's awesome so far. Now if I can just keep winning. lol!Wink

Update: I adjusted the board so that I, the black pieces, am on the bottom now.

On move #15 white could take back, but after f5 the next move for white has to be 16. Bc4+ forcing the King to move, then Qc2. Otherwise the game is pretty much over.

B97

I prefer:

2.exd5 and forcing the Black queen out while developing your pieces.

5.c4 or d4 immediately contests the center.

6.c3 is very weak and passive. I'm not familiar with the opening, but by merely reading the position I can tell you that this is an open game and you should be more aggressive.

7. Wastes a tempo.

8.Nh3 is not good. Nf3 is almost always better. Seems like you don't have any sort of plan. Don't worry, almost always I don't seem to have a plan when I play, but in order to seize any opportunity, you need the pieces in their mose influential spots. At this point you are severly underdeveloped and have surrendered the initiative to Black (who btw is not doing a great job either).

9. Loss of tempo again.

After this..too many queen moves, your king is stuck in the center and your pieces are immobile/underdeveloped.

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Oh boy, I completely misread the game. Just realized that you are Black. :]

Quizara
B97 wrote:

I prefer:

2.exd5 and forcing the Black queen out while developing your pieces.

5.c4 or d4 immediately contests the center.

6.c3 is very weak and passive. I'm not familiar with the opening, but by merely reading the position I can tell you that this is an open game and you should be more aggressive.

7. Wastes a tempo.

8.Nh3 is not good. Nf3 is almost always better. Seems like you don't have any sort of plan. Don't worry, almost always I don't seem to have a plan when I play, but in order to seize any opportunity, you need the pieces in their mose influential spots. At this point you are severly underdeveloped and have surrendered the initiative to Black (who btw is not doing a great job either).

9. Loss of tempo again.

After this..too many queen moves, your king is stuck in the center and your pieces are immobile/underdeveloped.


 I am playing the black side in the game.

The computer says I have 2-Inaccuracies and 5-Mistakes, more mistakes than inaccuracies. The computer also said that I had advantage, however slight, most of the game. And that by after my move #18 I had mate in 7, which I think is decent.

Quizara
tonydal wrote:

Sophie, is that you...?

Actually, if 15 Qxe4 Black can win the queen with 15... f5 (16 Qe2 d3 17 Qe3 Bc5).


I think the Knight can be taken and maybe after f5, Bc4+, and after the King moves away from the check, Qc2. This will give up the Bishop for a escape square, I think. Because the Rook on h1 can now help protect the King. This will put the Bishop in danger instead of the King.

benedictus

1... d5 I think that after this opening, if both sides play well, white tends to get the advantage, but if you're comfortable with this opening, then by all means keep playing it.

2. Qe2?! As white, I think the best move here is to take the pawn. Qe2 just wastes time by moving the queen and lets black get a slight advantage.

5. d3? While this allows for the development of one bishop, it blocks the other. Much better would have been d4 to develop both bishops and take the center.

5... e6 Same thing as with 5. d3 I would have played e5.

6. c3? This move seems like a waste of time. It blocks the knight from going to c3 and in no way helps white's position.

7. d4 This move should have been played earlier. Playing it now is ok as it takes control of the center, but if white was going to play this all along, it just shows that 5. d3 was not only a bad positional move, but also a waste of time. Also notice how behind white is in development.

8. Nh3? Nf3 would definately have been better.

9. Qd1? Waste of time.

9... Qb6 Not a bad move, but I would prefer b6 to allow for 10... Bb7 and 11... c5

10. Qf3?! White is moving the queen too much instead of developing pieces.

11. Qd3? This move causes the previous one to be a waste of time. Better would have been Be3.

12. Ng5?? Black can now hold on to the pawn with Be5 or cause white's move to be a waste of time with h6.

12... Ne5?! I would rather have played one of the moves I suggested.

13. Qc2?? Much better was Qxd4.

14. Ne4?! Be2 would have been much better.

15. cxd4?? Gives black a free knight.

16. Nd2?? White finally starts developing, but allows for Qxf2+ which eventually leads to checkmate.

I noted mistakes for both sides. White was full of mistakes. Black only had a few. Congratulations!

MN94XD
benedictus wrote:

1... d5 I think that after this opening, if both sides play well, white tends to get the advantage, but if you're comfortable with this opening, then by all means keep playing it.

2. Qe2?! As white, I think the best move here is to take the pawn. Qe2 just wastes time by moving the queen and lets black get a slight advantage.

5. d3? While this allows for the development of one bishop, it blocks the other. Much better would have been d4 to develop both bishops and take the center.

5... e6 Same thing as with 5. d3 I would have played e5.

6. c3? This move seems like a waste of time. It blocks the knight from going to c3 and in no way helps white's position.

7. d4 This move should have been played earlier. Playing it now is ok as it takes control of the center, but if white was going to play this all along, it just shows that 5. d3 was not only a bad positional move, but also a waste of time. Also notice how behind white is in development.

8. Nh3? Nf3 would definately have been better.

9. Qd1? Waste of time.

9... Qb6 Not a bad move, but I would prefer b6 to allow for 10... Bb7 and 11... c5

10. Qf3?! White is moving the queen too much instead of developing pieces.

11. Qd3? This move causes the previous one to be a waste of time. Better would have been Be3.

12. Ng5?? Black can now hold on to the pawn with Be5 or cause white's move to be a waste of time with h6.

12... Ne5?! I would rather have played one of the moves I suggested.

13. Qc2?? Much better was Qxd4.

14. Ne4?! Be2 would have been much better.

15. cxd4?? Gives black a free knight.

16. Nd2?? White finally starts developing, but allows for Qxf2+ which eventually leads to checkmate.

I noted mistakes for both sides. White was full of mistakes. Black only had a few. Congratulations!


 OK really?! You play th Owen's and you say something about 1... d5. 1...d5 is a fine opening and Black ends up fine. Show me any line where Black is clearly worse.

876543Z1

Well done a win or draw is I feel is always a good result. Your win may be appropriate for showcase rather analysis. Could I ask that you post a game when you do eventually draw or indeed lose. Your opponents novice standard & overuse of queen moves indicate for me at least that analysis is unlikely to be helpful.

Thank You

John Boy 

benedictus

MN94XD: Owen's can be really good if you play it well. Also, here's a line (actual game, Popovic-Rogers, Vrsac 1987) in Scandinavian where white ends up with a clear positional advantage.

madpawn

Darn I was going to wade in, but found all the work has been done!

madpawn

Darn I was going to wade in, but found all the work has been done!

erikido23

There was plenty of analysis for you I think.  Nicely done.

 

White was sort of flailing about and then suddenly asked for you to please attack his king in the center of the board.  You obliged quite nicely

MN94XD
benedictus wrote:

MN94XD: Owen's can be really good if you play it well. Also, here's a line (actual game, Popovic-Rogers, Vrsac 1987) in Scandinavian where white ends up with a clear positional advantage.


 I have no issue with the Owen's, but Scandinavian is just as good, if not better. And, on the game, Bg4 is terrible for Black, in all lines. Show me a classical (Bf5 line) where White is winning out of the opening.

Quizara
87654321 wrote:

Well done a win or draw is I feel is always a good result. Your win may be appropriate for showcase rather analysis. Could I ask that you post a game when you do eventually draw or indeed lose. Your opponents novice standard & overuse of queen moves indicate for me at least that analysis is unlikely to be helpful.

Thank You

John Boy 


 Thanks for replying. I agree, a win is a win, whether you steamroll your opponent or get lucky - so a win is always a good result. Anyway, I do not know if this game was good enough for "showcase" I made too many mistakes. According to evaluation, 2 inaccuracies and 5 mistakes. I also should have captured with the Knight on f2, not the Queen.

This is actually the first game I played here and I do not have other games yet to post. When I do I will.

I have to disagree that an analysis of the game, because I won is not necessary or will not help. Any studying done correctly will yield benefits as I have learned so much from all the comments I have recieved thus far. Thanks to those the have responded.

876543Z1

OK Quizara, its your forum topic, so I will not continue with my get real theme.

Thank You

John Boy

Alphastar18
benedictus wrote:

1... d5 I think that after this opening, if both sides play well, white tends to get the advantage, but if you're comfortable with this opening, then by all means keep playing it.


I think not. Black has very good chances for equality or more and definitely his share of the chances. Indeed, by all means, keep playing it - excellent opening choice.