How continue after defending scholars mate.

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suunnistus

My rating 830 ish. Opponent 690 ish. I played this crazy game as black.

How should I continue after surviving scholars mate? I usually like to play Italian pianissimo and it feels as those plans are ruined. I managed to win but made many bad moves. 

Sred

For starters there is no serious White attack and no need to weaken your position with 4...f6. Just go for Nf6,Bg7,0-0 and you have a nice position.

Edit: "Nice position" does not mean that you are winning. You are equal or slightly better. So, don't try to punish White immediately - this unprepared pawn storm is premature. Complete your development.

suunnistus

Thanks! But if I do that, am I not unable to move the knight? If whites queen and bishop stays where they are I have a constant threat of checkmate. Or did you mean Nh6? to guard f6?

Sred
suunnistus wrote:

Thanks! But if I do that, am I not unable to move the knight? If whites queen and bishop stays where they are I have a constant threat of checkmate. Or did you mean Nh6? to guard f6?

So, I actually meant Nf6. Then Bg7, 0-0, no mating threat.

White has just lost time with their Queen moves and the Queen is still blocking f3, where the Ng1 might want to go. As a result, the advantage of the first move is already gone.

suunnistus

Okay, thanks! How much disadvantage is it to have a pawn on g6? I was thinking if I should castle queenside but that never happened...

Sred

This setup with a pawn on g6, Bg7 and 0-0 is very common. g6 weakens the dark squares around your king, but the Bg7 makes up for that. Don't trade it without good reason. The setup generally goes well with a dark square strategy where you try to dominate the dark squares in the center. Search sample games, you should fine plenty.

suunnistus

Thanks a lot for your help and patience! I will google dark square strategy.

Sred

The confusion is understandable.

Player 1: don't weaken your King's position by early pawn moves.

Player 2: what if they play Qh5?

Player 1: just play g6.

Unfortunately, there are plenty exceptions for these general thumb rules.

suunnistus
Sred skrev:

The confusion is understandable.

Player 1: don't weaken your King's position by early pawn moves.

Player 2: what if they play Qh5?

Player 1: just play g6.

Unfortunately, there are plenty exceptions for these general thumb rules.

 

Yeah but its not about that. g6 is part of surviving scholars mate attack. (Or maybe Nh6 would work).

Its how to continue afterwards that I did not know. Beginning italian pianissimo did not seem to fit. But yeah move bishop and knight out and castle seems resonable.

Ellen_Hall

Remember that two bishops are considered an advantage, especially in an open game such as the one you've shown us. At move 20 you could have retreated your bishop to e6 with tempo.

Try to avoid weakening your kingside with unnecessary pawn movements so you can castle.

And when your opponent foolishly over-extends their queen early on, make sure to grab tempos by attacking her with minor pieces as they develop.

st0ckfish

I've never seen that 4...f5 move played before. Usually I just play Nf6-Bg7 and Kingside Castles. It's hard for White to develop because the Queen blocks Nf3, and their DSB isn't even open. Usually I prepare f5 later, once I have an R on f8.

st0ckfish

CRYYSIS is soooo helpful tongue.png

st0ckfish
CRYYSIS wrote:

Thank you thank you

You're welcome (x2)

MickinMD

After you first 12 moves, you have developed only 1 Piece and you moved you're K-side Pawns so that your King is exposed.  You need to work on developing Pieces more than Pawns.  If practical, the usual way of penalizing White is to threaten his prematurely exposed Queen.  If you had played 4...Nf6 and 5...Nd4 White would have to make moves that would delay his own development.

GaborHorvath

A classical example of Black's play:

 

Ellen_Hall

there was a classical master who said that chess is a balanced game, and poorly organized attacks will almost always fail against proper play

Asparagusic_acids

Here is a winning line.