I don't understand where the "missed win" was...

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Sfang

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/3623043471?tab=report

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How is that a missed win? And who would be the winning side if so?

Thanks in advance! (I can't understand what Qxg5 and cxd5 is) Queen X?? G5 i do and cx??

IMKeto

Black missed winning the knight with 7...Qg5.

Sfang
IMBacon wrote:

Black missed winning the knight with 7...Qg5.

Yes, the knight was missed but it says "win" where was the missed win?

IMKeto
Sfang wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Black missed winning the knight with 7...Qg5.

Yes, the knight was missed but it says "win" where was the missed win?

A piece up is considered a win i guess.

Sfang
IMBacon wrote:
Sfang wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Black missed winning the knight with 7...Qg5.

Yes, the knight was missed but it says "win" where was the missed win?

A piece up is considered a win i guess.

Uhm.. that's weird. But alrighty, thanks.

Laskersnephew

"Yes, the knight was missed but it says "win" where was the missed win?"

When the computer says "win," you're probably thinking about checkmate or the win of the queen. But when the computer says "win," it just  means that your advantage exceeds some numerical amount. That's all. At the master level, White would probably just resign after 7...Qxg5, but that makes no sense for less experienced players. There's still room for a lot of play and a lot of mistakes!

Kineticer
Sfang wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
Sfang wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Black missed winning the knight with 7...Qg5.

Yes, the knight was missed but it says "win" where was the missed win?

A piece up is considered a win i guess.

Uhm.. that's weird. But alrighty, thanks.

 

mishatx

The old eval system would have probably classified this as "Blunder: from winning to losing".  It's not a "missed win" in the sense of "missed mate", but it is a "missed win" in the sense that "before this move, black was winning with best play, but now white is winning instead".  The win is only "missed" if white never blunders the rest of the game.

 

solskytz

Hi <Sfang>. 

If you really and profoundly understand the answers to your question in this thread, and if you make a personal vow (to yourself) to hold this idea close to your heart whenever you play chess - this can help you advance at least a couple hundred points, reach a new level and never look back! 

It is true that you always need to keep track of your pieces and your opponent's - as the player who  has more of them (a greater combined value of the pieces and pawns) should win with correct play. 

Keep track of opportunities to win material. Stay away from sequences that lose material. Start counting "how much I took, how much they took" when pieces are exchanged. 

A pawn is "worth" one point. A knight and a bishop are "worth" three. A rook is "worth" five and a queen is "worth" nine.

If you lead by one point, you will win 70% of the time. If you lead by two points, you will win over 95% of the time. 

- - - - - - - - - - 

There is such a thing as "compensation" - sometimes other factors in the position (an attack against the king, more active pieces, a forced drawing sequence, more maneuvering space for your pieces, control of critical lines or squares, defects in pawn structure) can compensate for material deficiencies of any size. This is definitely something to appreciate and investigate. 

Also the "values" of the pieces are only indicative and serve as an average - judgment is always necessary, and is acquired with experience (it also helps to read books and articles and to discuss games and positions with stronger players!). A white knight on g1 that can't come out (because it will be captured by a pawn wherever he goes) doesn't have the same value as a monster knight on d6 that ruins the entire game of the opponent - and there are many cases in between (sometimes one sacrifices a pawn to improve the mobility of a minor piece).

Nevertheless, the above two paragraphs concern your progress from 1200-1300 and upwards. What will make the difference for you until you make 1300 is exactly this: how many "points" am I giving up? How many "points" am I winning?

Other things being equal, If you lead by one point, you will win 70% of the time and if you lead by two points, you will win over 95% of the time. 

Start taking care of that methodically, all the time. Always ask yourself: "wait a minute - am I not dropping a pawn here?" or "am I not winning a pawn here?", and soon your opponents will start complaining that every time you exchange pieces with them, "something disappears" from their side of the board. Acquire that "magical, unbeatable" aura with your friends - and go up into a new level, where the game begins to make sense on deeper levels. Your entire journey is ahead!

eric0022
Sfang wrote:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/3623043471?tab=report

 

 

How is that a missed win? And who would be the winning side if so?

Thanks in advance! (I can't understand what Qxg5 and cxd5 is) Queen X?? G5 i do and cx??

 

Qxg5 -->

Q (queen)

x (captures)

g5 (something on the g5 square, which is presently occupied by a White knight)

 

cxd5 -->

c (Q is queen, K is king, N is knight, B is for bishop, R is for rook, no capital letter means a pawn with the small letter c representing a pawn on the c-file)

x (captures)

d5 (something on the d5 square)

 

I am not sure if the notation e.p. is included for en passant captures by pawns.

 

Special notations include o-o and promotions (a8=Q). A 'plus' sign denotes a check.

 

Sadly there are no minus signs and divide signs in the notations.

Born2slaYer

You missed Qxg5 which would protect your pawn on d5 and capture a knight.

KingJohal

thank you for this thread, I too was confused as to what "Missed Win" meant and found myself trying to figure out how I missed a checkmate! I agree it should be changed to "missed capture" 

Sfang
KingJohal wrote:

thank you for this thread, I too was confused as to what "Missed Win" meant and found myself trying to figure out how I missed a checkmate! I agree it should be changed to "missed capture" 

 

Yeah i agree it confuses me in the analyses as well sad.png
Also i wish they said which was the best move when i do a inaccuracy at the same time without me having to press other keys :/

chamo2074

"Missed win" you missed winning material and reaching a winning position

PK_Party_Slash_Chill

i am a very new player, so forgive me if i am doing things wrong, but i wonder if anyone can explain this.

i have been playing the bots, using friendly mode. when i play a move and it says "blunder" or "missed win" i go back a turn and see what the computer says i should have done, to hopefully understand better. 

buuuuuut, there have been a few times now where i move and it says 'blunder' or 'missed win', it says the move i should have done at the top right, but if i press the hint button it hints at me to do the move i just did. so it feels like the ai that calculates whether i did a blunder is only interested in short term goals, winning any material, whereas what it is hinting i should do seems to lean more on the long term strategy.

is there a better way to improve? (as i said i am a beginner)

 

mrfreezyiceboy

missed win doesn't mean a missed checkmate, it just means any move that would have won you material or given you a great position

toothfixerson

lokatzi
Laskersnephew hat geschrieben:

When the computer says "win," you're probably thinking about checkmate or the win of the queen. But when the computer says "win," it just  means that your advantage exceeds some numerical amount. That's all. At the master level, White would probably just resign after 7...Qxg5, but that makes no sense for less experienced players. There's still room for a lot of play and a lot of mistakes!

I'd prefer if they just called it a "missed opportunity".

AutomaticAnimation

this is kind of an irrelevant question, but some people's missed win logo is a red 'X' mark, and other's is '-' mark, i want to get the red 'X' mark for my missed win logo, how do you change that? do i have to get the premium?

Pan_troglodites

Hello!
If you are playing with white, I think that you should take the bishop at the end  of the game.

Bt the way, are you playing with black or white?