Is 91.1 accuracy normal?

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stv0rec

Hi everyone. I was going thru my analisis and had 91.1 accuracy. Is this bannable? (I have 400 ELO)

stv0rec
MrGothamKNIGHT napísal:

Yup VERY BANNABLE MY ACCOUNT GOT BANNED ON 82 ACCURACY ALTHOUGH I DIDNT USE ANY ENGINE AND I AM 800 ELO

Wait 82 Accuracy and BANNED? wth man

caleb-courtney

No, 91 is not automatically bannable. There are lots of factors that go into determining whether an engine was used in a game. Factors like time used, correlation with engine, whether the move is even findable for a human. One game in a vacuum won't get you banned, unless it's blatantly obvious to the site.

EllisHoward
Depends on how weird your moves are ig
MarioParty4
MrGothamKNIGHT wrote:

Yup VERY BANNABLE MY ACCOUNT GOT BANNED ON 82 ACCURACY ALTHOUGH I DIDNT USE ANY ENGINE AND I AM 800 ELO

I once got 91% accuracy and not banned yet. Maybe your ban was for a different game.

(My rating is 600)

MarioParty4
blunduscarlsen wrote:

Hi everyone. I was going thru my analisis and had 91.1 accuracy. Is this bannable? (I have 400 ELO)

It is if you cheated to get it. Otherwise, chess.com will find nothing and you'll be fine.

MasterMatthew52

Yes, this is normal when your opponent makes an obvious mistake early on and you take advantage of it (usually also obvious). In these cases, it's not that hard to get 90+ accuracy at any level assuming you know how to play chess.

Mibbbbbbb

depends on the amount of moves and how your opponent plays, it is def possible

Ilampozhil25

@DesperateKingWalk

the opponent might have made the best moves easy to find, while if op plays against carlsen or firouzja then the centipawn loss wouldve been much higher

Joeonaboat11111

if your 400 elo and get 6 brilliant moves probaly bannable but one good game isnt

MartinIsAGrandmaster
MrGothamKNIGHT wrote:

Yup VERY BANNABLE MY ACCOUNT GOT BANNED ON 82 ACCURACY ALTHOUGH I DIDNT USE ANY ENGINE AND I AM 800 ELO

Then maybe that wasn’t the reason you got banned.

Justaguy_25
For someone in your Elo yes it is
micahwchess

No you won't be banned

caleb-courtney
DesperateKingWalk wrote:

This is what the cheat detection software I am running shows for your game.

What cheat detection software are you running? Is it open source?

caleb-courtney
DesperateKingWalk wrote:

Here is over 1000 games from hundreds of players with the Centipawn scores from one of the latest titled Tuesday events. So you can see how common a low Centipawn score is in blitz games, by the BEST players in the world. 

Abdrlauf Elham: 21 => Average=0.21
Mendes Aaron Reeve: 53 => Average=0.53
Aguilar Juan: 26 => Average=0.26
Erdogdu Mert: 26 => Average=0.26
Al Tarbosh Ward: 83 => Average=0.83

The problem with this argument is that in your list of players, you do see those outliers (less than 0.1 cp loss), and you can't just ban a player (titled or not, 500 or not) for one outlier game. I've had three games in the last month with over a 90% accuracy. Granted, they were at most 30 moves, but pointing out that one game is an outlier isn't a bannable offense.

They didn't ban Niemann for just one game that was questionable, but for many games. There were also more factors than just how accurately he played. Chess.com does clock analysis to see how much time is being spent on different moves and even browser analysis to see if you're switching to a different application or window and how accurate your moves were after that delay.

When I took a look at the game posted by the OP, I thought most of the moves were reasonable and findable. In fact, many were just downright forcing moves like the queen and rook trades. There's probably a lot of room for interpretation on that game above. All this to just say, there's a lot more that goes into determining if a game was a violation of fair play than how low the error rate was, and chess.com has people review every case before banning anyone.

crazygamer56

Me personally yes it is

caleb-courtney
DesperateKingWalk wrote:

It is a feature of Chessbase 17 and is designed to detect online cheating at chess.

That's super cool, thanks. I guess my point above is really just what's included in your own post:

A low value in an individual game is not proof of cheating.

caleb-courtney
DesperateKingWalk wrote:

I am not banning anyone. And I explained how it works. And you do not use the CP score as meaning they cheated. You used the CP to screen the game.

And in this case when you do analysis of the game. Because of the CP score. You see that the player consistently played the #2 move of the chess engine. Even on the checkmate at the end.

And Chess.com uses Centipawn analysis to ban people. I do not, but I can detect the cheating and how the player cheated.

Cool cool. That's really interesting about how closely it matches the computer lines as in top 3 suggested moves. Seems like a pretty strong factor to include.

I must have been unclear in what I said though. Chess.com doesn't only use the centipawn analysis. There's a lot more that goes into it, like the other things I mentioned.

I think we're on the same page though that if we think a player cheated, we'll just hit the report button and trust the chess.com team to figure it out!

caleb-courtney
DesperateKingWalk wrote:

Chess.com does not use move matching to catch cheaters. One method Chess.com does use is Centipawn analysis. And other things....

Ah, sorry. Must have missed it in the wall of text! wink

caleb-courtney
DesperateKingWalk wrote:

And I will post the full analysis of the Titled tueday event. As what I posted was not yet completed and only about 1000 games had been analyzed. As that CP analysis of the event is still running. In total the computer has to look at 1622 games, in 11 rounds of play. And this will give you the full analysis of the CP scores of all players.

That would be cool to see, though with so much info there, my eyes glazed over just looking at it. Any chance you'll post something that would be easier for a simpleton like me to look at?