My first Brilliant move and I can't understand why

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Vindibudd


Hello All, I've played thousands of games of chess but this is the first time I received a brilliant move. Problem is, I don't understand why, can any of you see why this move was rated this way? I'd love to know! The supposedly brilliant move is 10. ... fxg5.

 

baddogno

Strange...I did the analysis and there was no brilliant move.

61.5
Accuracy
0Brilliant0
12Best Move10
1Excellent3
4Good2
3Book2
1Inaccuracy4
0Mistake0
1Blunder2
1Missed Win0
Vindibudd

LOL maybe it's just lying to me then! This is what I see:



baddogno

I think the diamond analysis is a little deeper.  It still really likes the move, but...

fxg5
is best
-2.50
Black has a significant advantage
Engine:
11. Nxg5 Bh6 12. h4 Qd7 13. Bb5 O-O-O 14. Bxc6 Qxc6 15. Qe5
Vindibudd

Oh interesting. Thanks for clarifying. It looks like an obvious move to me. Like why would you not take the bishop with the pawn...

baddogno

There is at least one thread devoted to "brilliant" moves where most of the folks posting are confused about why their moves were deemed brilliant, so I guess it's a bug of some sort.

Moonwarrior_1
baddogno wrote:

There is at least one thread devoted to "brilliant" moves where most of the folks posting are confused about why their moves were deemed brilliant, so I guess it's a bug of some sort.

Not a bug but some brilliant moves are just "the best move"

Vindibudd

Maybe, the engine is just being sarcastic, lol.

MrDogFace

all the games I win it tells me I made several mistakes.   So, that proves the computer is full of you know what.

PerpetuallyPinned

9. Qf4? ∓ {MISTAKE

(-1.78)} ({(+1.63)

9... g5 {Critical move. a pawn forking queen/bishop} 10. Bxg5 fxg5!
{Critical move. a piece for a pawn exchange giving you the bishop pair with an IQP} 11. Nxg5 Bb4?? ± {BLUNDER (+3.91)} ({(-1.77) 

Did you see the pin (11...Bh6)? or that Qd7 or Qe7 protects the LSB on e6 and allow castling queenside?

If not, it wasn't brilliant, it was only critical that you see it's the only way to keep an advantage.

But this was a blitz/bullet game, wasn't it?

 

Laskersnephew

Whether a move is "brilliant" or not is just based on some piece of computer code. It is meaningless. Moves are either good or they're not.  I would advise people to ignore "brilliant" moves, and to ignore "inaccuracies" as well. If you're not a master, your games will be won or lost by mistakes and blunders--particularly blunders! Study and understand your mistakes and blunders and you will become a much stronger player

Vindibudd
PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

If not, it wasn't brilliant, it was only critical that you see it's the only way to keep an advantage.

But this was a blitz/bullet game, wasn't it?

 

I am in no way claiming to be a brilliant chess player. Any best moves or brilliant moves are usually dumb luck on my part. This is clearly evidenced by how I completely staggered around the rest of the game.

Vindibudd
Laskersnephew wrote:

Whether a move is "brilliant" or not is just based on some piece of computer code. It is meaningless. Moves are either good or they're not.  I would advise people to ignore "brilliant" moves, and to ignore "inaccuracies" as well. If you're not a master, your games will be won or lost by mistakes and blunders--particularly blunders! Study and understand your mistakes and blunders and you will become a much stronger player

I'd disagree with you to a point. There are good moves and bad moves but in my opinion, a brilliant move is one that is not obvious but is devastating in the sequence it forcefully unlocks.

Laskersnephew

"a brilliant move is one that is not obvious but is devastating in the sequence it forcefully unlocks."

I agree with you--in real life! But on Chess.com, a "brilliant" move is determined by some crude piece of computer code. Whatever criterion it uses has nothing to do with brilliancy as you and I understand the word

ponz111

It is not really a brilliant move--it is a very obvious move.  A obvious move cannot be a brilliant move.

The chess engine simply does not know what is a brilliant move.  It was programmed wrong.

PerpetuallyPinned

Hmm...

I remember a position/game from a book.

I wonder if the site auto depth analysis would see it as brilliant, a mistake, critical mistake, or something else if it were presented in a game?

 
 

hope the game came out right

Position is after 28.Rc1

But move in question is 28...Re1+

If someone can run a game report for it (not sure if you need premium membership or not).

Edit: I'll need to fix the game...

Ok, there (headers gave issues)

PerpetuallyPinned

What I get when running a report is

28...Re2 is best

It is not, but couldn't go back to it (gotta pay for that ridiculousness).

PerpetuallyPinned

So, if someone were to actually play 28...Re1+ in a game

What would it say when running a report? This is what I should've done, I guess.

official_swordofjustice

I think that brilliant moves are based on one of two things:

1. the engine hasn't fully analyzed the move

2. the engine finds all other moves to lose/draw the game.

darkfastop7
Brilliant move I think is the only move that has a advantage