Isn't that a bad move ? That can;t be a book move
I think Its one of the main lines
Isn't that a bad move ? That can;t be a book move
I think Its one of the main lines
Yes, that's a book move. If it is the last book move, there's a good chance it won't have any explanations, also if it's not your first game of the day and you don't have diamond.
No, I know it's a book move, but it's not the last book move, and I have diamond, that's why I'm confused
yeah I probably should've mentioned that, Imma edit the OP
Isn't that a bad move ? That can;t be a book move
Reminds me of the people in the comments of the daily puzzle thinking that a move is bad before actually checking with the engine (or in this case, the explorer 😉)
Isn't that a bad move ? That can;t be a book move
I think Its one of the main lines
Yes, in fact it is THE main line. I say main because it's really the only line. Perhaps that's why the explanation for Bxd3 was because it's the only move that works, but then if so, why have it as a book move? Isn't it possible for it to have a ! followed by more book moves? Perhaps that's the heart of the problem.
thats a bad move
read #7, it isn't a bad move just cause it looks useless on the surface at first glance
I also would like coach explanations especially for these moves like that. Because many times I don't understand these moves like a4, h4 etc, although they are often considered best according to game review
You are not going to like this, but the coach and review are not accurate! Their evaluations almost never agree with the engine!?!(Strange). The big test that the reviewer and the coach fail is that they can't characterize any moves or positions as "!?" interesting, "∞" unclear, "=/∞" with compensation for the material, or as, "N" Novelties. It can never be real chess "WORK" without these concepts.
It's a toy!?! When it can't duplicate the real world, it will make something up!? Every move that is supposed to get a !? will get a ?! or a ? from the coach or reviewer even when the engine disagrees about the coach's or reviewer's evaluation. The same will happen when the move or position becomes ∞ unclear, or when the move or position has =/∞ compensation for the material!?!
Ultimately if you are trying to do any serious study of an opening, you need to be comparing the recommendations of a, Grandmaster written book, a non blitz database, and an engine! The tools here are ok for us mere mortals. They are toy versions of the real things we need to improve!?!. Not 1 internet service provider has ever made any claim of superiority! The only make claims of availability!?
If the symbols I shared with you are new to you, please get a real book as soon as possible so that you can have tool chess instead of toy chess thoughts!!
You are not going to like this, but the coach and review are not accurate! Their evaluations almost never agree with the engine!?!(Strange). The big test that the reviewer and the coach fail is that they can't characterize any moves or positions as "!?" interesting, "∞" unclear, "=/∞" with compensation for the material, or as, "N" Novelties. It can never be real chess "WORK" without these concepts.
It's a toy!?! When it can't duplicate the real world, it will make something up!? Every move that is supposed to get a !? will get a ?! or a ? from the coach or reviewer even when the engine disagrees about the coach's or reviewer's evaluation. The same will happen when the move or position becomes ∞ unclear, or when the move or position has =/∞ compensation for the material!?!
Ultimately if you are trying to do any serious study of an opening, you need to be comparing the recommendations of a, Grandmaster written book, a non blitz database, and an engine! The tools here are ok for us mere mortals. They are toy versions of the real things we need to improve!?!. Not 1 internet service provider has ever made any claim of superiority! The only make claims of availability!?
If the symbols I shared with you are new to you, please get a real book as soon as possible so that you can have tool chess instead of toy chess thoughts!!
I actually do this like this a lot, and thank you for posting! And yes, I do know all the annotations you used, thanks for bringing that point up. Yeah, I've noticed, sometimes when I used Game Review for some of my tournament games, I switched up probably about 75% of all the annotations because some were clear blunders (but given an ?! by GV) or were "inaccuracies" even though it's just a gambit line that I learned on YouTube and have had success with. I also just watched GothamChess's video "The Truth About Game Review", which has helped tremendously, especially when analyzing my games (online and tournament games).
I think it's very interesting that the coach and the engine don't agree, because even I, NOT even a titled player or even an advanced chess player, understand the nuances and non-perfection of Game Review (like what I stated above). It may be satisfactory for beginners, but not for a serious player like me lol
You guys dont know what is a book move or what? A book move is a part of an opening. For example e4 e5 nf3 nf6 bc4 are all book moves because they form the Italian game
I just find it interesting that chess.com's GV doesn't allow any other move classifications BEFORE reaching the last book move. So pathetic. What rule is there for that? Because the positions may be well known? So what?
It's not like there's nothing to be said. Read below, ChatGPT (I mean most advanced version of it, simpler version is too dumb for describing chess) provides couple of short but very informative summaries about both moves:
In the Caro-Kann Defense (Advance Variation) up to move 7, both White and Black are following a strategic plan where each side aims to develop pieces, control key squares, and influence the center. Let's break down the reasoning behind each player's 7th move, including their potential advantages and drawbacks.
Reasoning:
Advantages:
Drawbacks:
Reasoning:
Advantages:
Drawbacks:
White’s 7. h4 is an aggressive, space-gaining move aimed at kingside pressure, with the potential to weaken Black's defenses and launch an attack. However, it also carries some risk of overextending or weakening White's own kingside.
Black’s 7...h6 is a defensive, solidifying move meant to slow down White’s attack and safeguard the kingside. It preserves the g6-bishop’s position but doesn’t develop any pieces, and it could lead to weaknesses if White can break through later.
Both moves are thematic and align with the players' broader goals in the position: White seeks to attack, and Black aims to hold back White’s initiative while continuing development.
are these book moves?
Yes, the moves you provided up to 7. h4 h6 are considered "book moves" in certain variations of the Caro-Kann Defense, specifically in the Classical Variation (also known as the Capablanca Variation).
Here’s the breakdown:
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Ng3 Bg6
6. Nf3 Nd7
7. h4 h6
These moves are commonly found in high-level games and opening theory, particularly in the Classical Caro-Kann. Many top players have employed this variation, so they are well-established book moves.
another long term idea of h4. h6. h5 Bh7 is that if you get all the pieces off, white should be better because the 2 kingside pawns for black are more frozen than that one dude from Frozen. Black will be worse if that happens.
I just find it interesting that chess.com's GV doesn't allow any other move classifications BEFORE reaching the last book move. So pathetic. What rule is there for that? Because the positions may be well known? So what?
Actually no, it will let you do that.
Veryyyyyyy interesting, will you give a link to a game where that happened?
Game: https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/daily/702726047?tab=review&move=12