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JG27Pyth

Jun 22, 2009

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#41

26. ... Rxg2 !! 27. Kxg2 Rxe7 28. Qd2 gxh4 29. Rxe6 Bxe6? 30. Qg5+ 1/2 - 1/2

Yes, very clear there... I had looked at a line where the Q went to f2... d2's better ... amazing what time trouble will do... the guy who found Rxg2 with time couldn't see that perpetual. Although Bxe6 is the "natural" move. To bring us full circle... you were talking about how wild romantic moves can get you in trouble... well, I think those "natural" moves get one in trouble just as often! As here.

NM RobKing

Jun 22, 2009

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#42

JG27Pyth wrote:

26. ... Rxg2 !! 27. Kxg2 Rxe7 28. Qd2 gxh4 29. Rxe6 Bxe6? 30. Qg5+ 1/2 - 1/2

Yes, very clear there... I had looked at a line where the Q went to f2... d2's better ... amazing what time trouble will do... the guy who found Rxg2 with time couldn't see that perpetual. Although Bxe6 is the "natural" move. To bring us full circle... you were talking about how wild romantic moves can get you in trouble... well, I think those "natural" moves get one in trouble just as often! As here.

I believe that he was satisfied with a draw, having fended off an almost sure win by me. Look at the situation had I not played Ne6, but Rh5 instead...

NM RobKing

Jun 23, 2009

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#43

Gonnosuke wrote:

After spending 1:15 on 3 moves, I imagine fatigue also played a role....

Yea I'd imagine that too...haha

Hey if you guys could look at the more boring game I posted in the Analysis forum from a game in the London System, I need help forming a plan against that opening because I will surely encounter it again.

jamesjudo

Jun 23, 2009

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#44

Gonnosuke wrote:

RobKing wrote:

Moral of this is that playing very "Romantically" with swashbuckling sacrifices and elegant mating threats can get you very embarrassed against a competent opponent. Some people I knew went over the end of the game with me and one of them (rated 2475) said he didn't even consider his reply at first either and that I shouldn't feel terrible, although I'm sure he would have OTB and he was making me feel better.

Losing is never fun but if it takes a brilliant move to make it happen, you must be doing something right. That's the kind of "problem" most chess players would love to have!

very true!!!

x1alpha

Jun 23, 2009

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#45

JG27Pyth wrote:

RobKing wrote:

onosson wrote:

Ok - but these are the situations in games where I always mess up!

26...f6 ?

No, this fails to 27. Nxg5 and you cannot take with 27. ... fxg5 ?? because 28. Qxg5+ mates.

So the threat for white here is that Black cannot defend the critical squares of e7, e8, g5, and g4 simultaneously. White's intended follow up is Rg4 !! because then now the Bishop is overworked defending too many squares at once. The only real defense for black is to play something like 27. ... Qb4 and then sac the queen for the rook on e1 to prevent mate. The game is simply lost here for black.

Not only does the reply prevent mate, it wins material and more accurate play would have easily won the game for black instead of a draw.

That's very true. Your "competent" opponent actually blew it!? He found the saving resource and then lacked the will to finish you off? That's rather unaesthetic actually.

hi, I'm faily new to chess but 27...Qb4 28.Qxg5# - lol.

NM RobKing

Jun 23, 2009

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#46

x1alpha wrote:

JG27Pyth wrote:

RobKing wrote:

onosson wrote:

Ok - but these are the situations in games where I always mess up!

26...f6 ?

No, this fails to 27. Nxg5 and you cannot take with 27. ... fxg5 ?? because 28. Qxg5+ mates.

So the threat for white here is that Black cannot defend the critical squares of e7, e8, g5, and g4 simultaneously. White's intended follow up is Rg4 !! because then now the Bishop is overworked defending too many squares at once. The only real defense for black is to play something like 27. ... Qb4 and then sac the queen for the rook on e1 to prevent mate. The game is simply lost here for black.

Not only does the reply prevent mate, it wins material and more accurate play would have easily won the game for black instead of a draw.

That's very true. Your "competent" opponent actually blew it!? He found the saving resource and then lacked the will to finish you off? That's rather unaesthetic actually.

hi, I'm faily new to chess but 27...Qb4 28.Qxg5# - lol.

No, there is still the Knight on f4 blocking the Queen from doing this.

x1alpha

Jun 23, 2009

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#47

RobKing wrote:

x1alpha wrote:

JG27Pyth wrote:

RobKing wrote:

onosson wrote:

Ok - but these are the situations in games where I always mess up!

26...f6 ?

No, this fails to 27. Nxg5 and you cannot take with 27. ... fxg5 ?? because 28. Qxg5+ mates.

So the threat for white here is that Black cannot defend the critical squares of e7, e8, g5, and g4 simultaneously. White's intended follow up is Rg4 !! because then now the Bishop is overworked defending too many squares at once. The only real defense for black is to play something like 27. ... Qb4 and then sac the queen for the rook on e1 to prevent mate. The game is simply lost here for black.

Not only does the reply prevent mate, it wins material and more accurate play would have easily won the game for black instead of a draw.

That's very true. Your "competent" opponent actually blew it!? He found the saving resource and then lacked the will to finish you off? That's rather unaesthetic actually.

hi, I'm faily new to chess but 27...Qb4 28.Qxg5# - lol.

No, there is still the Knight on f4 blocking the Queen from doing this.

ah, ok. I thought you were talking about the original board where 26.Ne6 was played. I see now you were responding to 26...f6 instead. Anyway, I'm sure you meant there's a Knight on g5 blocking the Q in that line then. ;)

btw, my first thought was to counter-attack with 26...Rxe6 which is just as disasterous f6. :D

NM RobKing

Jun 23, 2009

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#48

x1alpha wrote:

RobKing wrote:

x1alpha wrote:

JG27Pyth wrote:

RobKing wrote:

onosson wrote:

Ok - but these are the situations in games where I always mess up!

26...f6 ?

No, this fails to 27. Nxg5 and you cannot take with 27. ... fxg5 ?? because 28. Qxg5+ mates.

So the threat for white here is that Black cannot defend the critical squares of e7, e8, g5, and g4 simultaneously. White's intended follow up is Rg4 !! because then now the Bishop is overworked defending too many squares at once. The only real defense for black is to play something like 27. ... Qb4 and then sac the queen for the rook on e1 to prevent mate. The game is simply lost here for black.

Not only does the reply prevent mate, it wins material and more accurate play would have easily won the game for black instead of a draw.

That's very true. Your "competent" opponent actually blew it!? He found the saving resource and then lacked the will to finish you off? That's rather unaesthetic actually.

hi, I'm faily new to chess but 27...Qb4 28.Qxg5# - lol.

No, there is still the Knight on f4 blocking the Queen from doing this.

ah, ok. I thought you were talking about the original board where 26.Ne6 was played. I see now you were responding to 26...f6 instead. Anyway, I'm sure you meant there's a Knight on g5 blocking the Q in that line then. ;)

btw, my first thought was to counter-attack with 26...Rxe6 which is just as disasterous f6. :D

No no... the only saving move for Black after 26. Ne6 !? is 26. ... Rxg2+!! because now 27. Kxg2 Rxe6 and now White cannot play 28. Qxg5+ ?? because 28. ... Rg6! pins the Queen to the King and wins.

The analysis you quoted is for:

After 26. ... f6? 27. Nxg5 wins quickly because 27. ... fxg5? 28. Qxg5+ mates quickly. The problem after Nxg5 is that white intends to follow up with Rg4!! and the black bishop is overworked trying to stop all of the mate threats or Qe7 threatening mate. Black's only hope is to deflect the Queen away from the battle by sacrificing on e1 for the Rook, but this is obviously lost.

Other tries:

If 26. ... Rxe6 27. Qxg5+ Rg6 28. Qd8+ Kg7 29. Qh8#

and all lines involving taking the Knight end similarly. The Rook sac on g2 is the only move.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 23, 2009

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#49

and if the rook on g2 is declined then Rxe6 and Rg2 defends the pawn on g5 (of course)

NM RobKing

Jun 23, 2009

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#50

ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

and if the rook on g2 is declined then Rxe6 and Rg2 defends the pawn on g5 (of course)

Exactly...