The poison knight
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immortalgamer
Apr 9, 2009
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#1
Nice game
Great game. I learned alot.
nice game...
wow! 300 more points in rating and Ill be able to do this! woot!
At first, I felt as if you were crazy for sacrificing those pieces, but mate was accomplished, and that was a wierd but amazing game
great checkmate!
WHITE COULD HAVE WON AFTER BLACK PLAYED G5? withNx g5
Apr 10, 2009
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#11
Another fine game Immo!
By the way newbie 1995 Im positive that your comment on negative French thinking was a typical youngsters joke!
Apr 10, 2009
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#12
torre5 wrote:
WHITE COULD HAVE WON AFTER BLACK PLAYED G5? withNx g5
incorrect. Usually in the italian game for white this is true, but not in this game.
Observe:
Nxg5
hxg5
Bxg5
Kg7
and the game is still uncertain.
Apr 10, 2009
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#13
Newbie1995 wrote:
edgy_rhinx wrote:
15. dxe5 was horrible beyond belief
If you are going to make comments like this at least explain yourself as to why it is so bad? It doesn't look bad to me. It looks very natural and forcing and winning material. I know material isn't everything, but does dxe5 really lose the game? I don't think so...I think the next move f3 is the one that could be considered a real blunder because it activates the dark squared bishop so dynamically.
I think you don't know what you are talking about and just (like the sterotype of french people) are negative.
Fantastic Game and awesome mate!
Ok, Newbie, I will explain:
The move opens a dream line for the black bishop and brings the total number of attacking pieces to 5 (potentially 6), against one defender. Besides that bishop quickly becomes an important attacking piece, as it controls 2 squares around the enemy king.
I spotted the key error, which starts his downfall. Computer confirms it.
It's easy, as I played a very similar game myself: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/mate-in-5
Apr 10, 2009
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#14
You simply don't see the differences of 0.2-0.5 yet and can only notice +26, but you will eventually improve, as you are young.
Apr 10, 2009
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#15
edgy_rhinx wrote:
You simply don't see the differences of 0.2-0.5 yet and can only notice +26, but you will eventually improve, as you are young.
Edgy,
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that without the use of a computer you can evaluate a position difference of 0.2 vs. -0.5? I would tend to think you are joking as that might as well be considered even.
Concerning the position in question at move 15. dxe5...This does not open a "dream line" for the bishop as the f pawn is clearly in place as a defender. The blunder was f3?? because it completely took whites material advantage away and created a "dream attack". Taking white from a small (+) score to a large (-) score.
Because after Ng4 there was no reason to move the F pawn. All white had to do was take another pawn exd6 and the game continues (unclear).
I just completely disagree with your assessment of move 15 and then your follow up analysis. And the fact that you used a computer engine to validate your instincts makes me wonder if you set up the board correctly or if you just have a older program? Because you are incorrect in your analysis.
Anyone welcome to weigh in on move 15 as being the game breaker for white?
It being a complicated position, I went to silicon help for this one and the computer has a bit of difficulty with the position. Ok, I don't have the top of the line software, but Fritz 8 says 15. dxe5 is white's best choice at a depth of 12 ply. At 13 ply, it figures out some problems with that move and chooses 15. a4 as white's best with the difference between these two being a full pawn.
After 15. dxe5 Ng4 Fritz initially thinks black has an advantage (-1.06) after 16. e6 or 16. f4. (16. exd6 is worse due to 16. ... Nxf2).
But if you nurse it along 16. e6 Bxe6 17. Rf1 it finds 17. ... Bxf2 with a big advantage (-2.2)
And 16. f4 Nf2 17. Qd5 Bh3+ 18. Kf3 Qd7 19. f5 Qe7 Fritz gives black -2.5.
So it looks like after 15. dxe5 black might have more than a two pawn advantage in terms of the attack against the king after 15. ... Ng4. Of course, this takes some quite deep and precise calculations, while the move 16. f3 gives up the game on the spot -- well, if you can find 16. ... Nxh2, which was an impressive move.
Apr 10, 2009
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#17
Thank you, Loomis.
Gamer, don't look at the rating on this site, I don't play seriously here.
Very nice mate. In quick?