Trying the Reti opening

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t_taylor

t_taylor

this game probably shouldn't be on showcase...blunders on both sides.  I just ran it through stockfish and missed many good moves, as did my brother.  It was a good win for me because i rarely beat him.  i think i need to fight for the center better, he could have beat me soundly if he didn't blunder so much or so often.

InfiniteFlash
t_taylor wrote:
 

Well, this is not a Reti opening as by the 5th move you have tranposed into the english opening.

against 1...Nc6 there are many tries...2.e4, 2.c4, 2.b3, 2.g3 like you played, but i like the simplest 2.d4 going into a chigoriin where I usually get my favorite types of positions as white. You can play the reti against 1..Nc6, but in a few moves it will not be the traditional reti, it will be some other opening.

Yereslov
Randomemory wrote:
t_taylor wrote:
 

Well, this is not a Reti opening as by the 5th move you have tranposed into the english opening.

against 1...Nc6 there are many tries...2.e4, 2.c4, 2.b3, 2.g3 like you played, but i like the simplest 2.d4 going into a chigoriin where I usually get my favorite types of positions as white. You can play the reti against 1..Nc6, but in a few moves it will not be the traditional reti, it will be some other opening.

At the start it is the Reti, regardless of what it transposes into. 

InfiniteFlash

Usually the reti opening happens after 1.Nf3 d5 (this is where the reti starts really, 1..nf6 may transpose if black plays accordingly), and white can try the well known and interesting 2.c4, where both sides have interesting options compared to the normal queen pawn opening lines where the pawn is on d4, and the direct way to take advantage of this move order is 2..d4 with an interesting for both sides really, 2...c6, and 2...e6 will reach slav and QGD/catalan lines without d4 often (if you choose not to play d4).

InfiniteFlash
Yereslov wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
t_taylor wrote:
 

Well, this is not a Reti opening as by the 5th move you have tranposed into the english opening.

against 1...Nc6 there are many tries...2.e4, 2.c4, 2.b3, 2.g3 like you played, but i like the simplest 2.d4 going into a chigoriin where I usually get my favorite types of positions as white. You can play the reti against 1..Nc6, but in a few moves it will not be the traditional reti, it will be some other opening.

At the start it is the Reti, regardless of what it transposes into. 

Sure, at the start. 

t_taylor

The reason i tried to use the Reti was when i was a kid i used to play b3, g6, then Bb2 and Bg2 all the time, I tried for Reti to be different and for nostalgia.  it is interesting that it transposed into English, as that is probably my favorite opening, though i butcher it also.  My biggest problem is fighting for the center and not wasting moves, not just this game, but i have a tendency to do same mistakes.

t_taylor

Here is how Reinfeld has the Reti opening starting:  1. Nf3 d5  2. c4 c6

3. b3 Nf6 4.g3 Bf5!  5.Bg2 Nd7 6.Bb2 e6 7.0-0 h6

Is that still an accurate opening move sequence?

InfiniteFlash
t_taylor wrote:

Here is how Reinfeld has the Reti opening starting:  1. Nf3 d5  2. c4 c6

3. b3 Nf6 4.g3 Bf5!  5.Bg2 Nd7 6.Bb2 e6 7.0-0 h6

Is that still an accurate opening move sequence?

3.b3 is one of many ways of approaching the position. Almost any natural pawn move will be okay for white. This is the flexibility of the Reti. 

The position you posted looks fine for white, instead of 7..h6, black probably wants to play a caro-kan setup with 7..e6 though, it makes more sense in that particular position.

RetiFan

This game may not be a true Reti, but it consists the soul of it! Black started to play real bad after move 11, and white siezes the opportunity very well, congratulations!

I would have loved to see a more prolonged struggle, as I would really love to see the Rc1-Rc2-Qa1 combo of white, a true beauty of moves!!

t_taylor

I think more at move 16...Qc6 was when he went bad instead 16...Bb4 would have been good for him.  Around move 22 i felt really confident. Even after i took his knight he had chances.  had he moved Bb4 earlier, he could have gotten knight from me after Rxd5.  I'm sure we will have a rematch, hopefully it is more worthy of showcase game

Yereslov

Here is how not to play the Reti...



Yereslov

The diagram is still not working...

It goes: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 (the Reti Gambit) cxd4 3. e3 (white can also play 3. Qa5+ or 3. Na3) b5? 4. a4! c6 (4...a6?? 5. Nxb5) 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc6 Qb6

Black's position is hopeless...

InfiniteFlash
Yereslov wrote:

The diagram is still not working...

It goes: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 (the Reti Gambit) cxd4 3. e3 b5? 4. a4! c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc6 Qb6

Black's position is hopeless...

Man, I wish my knights jumped from f3 to c6.

after 5..cxb5, white should play 6.b3 undermining the pawn structure, regaining the pawn, and should apply and will apply heavy pressure on the black's remaining queenside pawn: the a pawn, black is significantly worse, as he is also going to be down in development very much.

Yereslov
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

The diagram is still not working...

It goes: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 (the Reti Gambit) cxd4 3. e3 b5? 4. a4! c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc6 Qb6

Black's position is hopeless...

Man, I wish my knights jumped from f3 to c6.

I meant 6. Nc3. No need to be a prick.

InfiniteFlash
Yereslov wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

The diagram is still not working...

It goes: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 (the Reti Gambit) cxd4 3. e3 b5? 4. a4! c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc6 Qb6

Black's position is hopeless...

Man, I wish my knights jumped from f3 to c6.

I meant 6. Nc3. No need to be a prick.

You are the one who posted the typo, I have the right to question or point it out. No need to be snappy.

Yereslov
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

The diagram is still not working...

It goes: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 (the Reti Gambit) cxd4 3. e3 b5? 4. a4! c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc6 Qb6

Black's position is hopeless...

Man, I wish my knights jumped from f3 to c6.

I meant 6. Nc3. No need to be a prick.

You are the one who posted the typo, I have the right to question or point it out. No need to be snappy.

You didn't just point it out. You were an ass about it.

And people call me a troll...

InfiniteFlash
Yereslov wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

The diagram is still not working...

It goes: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 (the Reti Gambit) cxd4 3. e3 b5? 4. a4! c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc6 Qb6

Black's position is hopeless...

Man, I wish my knights jumped from f3 to c6.

I meant 6. Nc3. No need to be a prick.

You are the one who posted the typo, I have the right to question or point it out. No need to be snappy.

You didn't just point it out. You were an ass about it.

And people call me a troll...

I disagree.

Yereslov
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

The diagram is still not working...

It goes: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 (the Reti Gambit) cxd4 3. e3 b5? 4. a4! c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc6 Qb6

Black's position is hopeless...

Man, I wish my knights jumped from f3 to c6.

I meant 6. Nc3. No need to be a prick.

You are the one who posted the typo, I have the right to question or point it out. No need to be snappy.

You didn't just point it out. You were an ass about it.

And people call me a troll...

I disagree.

The point is that 3. b5? in the Reti Gambit is a bad move.

RetiFan

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